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Ladies and gents,

A decision needs to be taken regarding our friend SU182/NXWave - which most of you know, as of today, by the name of Qua.

For those who don't know the man, a brief history:

SU182 (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser was a troll that indefbanned after a short stay in the Uncyclopedia. NXWave (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser was another alias of him, to later join the site. At the time he was pretty helpful, won all audio related prizes and did a lot of good work. However, at some point he got obsessed with AE (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser for some reason, and turned his life to hell. He was warned, repeatedly, and was banned several times until he finally got indefbanned by me after threatning on ban patrol to "do something extreme if he gets banned". He later admitted to be SU182 as well.

I have to say at this point that I got some emails from NXWave asking me to unban him and he was, nothing less than deranged, in my humble opinion.

A Later confirmed sock of him, Insignia (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser managed to run off AE, AE left and never came back.

Other confirmed socks are:

• Nekami (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• The Improver (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• Qua (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• Uncognito (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• EvaWXN (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

I had my suspicions about Qua for a while, and a checkuser verified it today.

So, the case we need to decide it like this:

We have a repeating user who now evaded bans for 5 times, which by itself constitutes as a violation of acceptable behavior around here. Also, two of his aliases actively harassed, threatened and ran off at least one good (very good in fact) user off the site.

On the other hand, he made good contributions as well with his last two couple of socks (and with his primary account as NXWave before he flipped) - and did a good work.

Question is this: should we allow him to keep his current account while keeping a close eye on him or should we ban this one as well?

I'd like everyone who is about to vote on this to make sure they read through the history of this whole issue - and not regard him just as "Qua". This guy has a history. Also, if we do decide to unban him, we are setting a precedence that any vandal can return, as long as he nags us enough, take that under consideration as well.

I've blocked him for a week, during which we'll let the community decide. I won't take a vote since I was to involved in this whole issue.

One last note, whatever happens, he is not getting the NOTM, he is by far not a noob.

Let's make a decision. ~ 15:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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Stays, but with UN:OFFICE rules

Score: +10

• I say he stays, but with a very, very strict entry into Flammable's Office. This would be the first time that we've given him a chance while knowing who he really is. If he screws this up, he's out for good. However, if he can manage to stay civil and avoid freaking out like he did with all his other socks, I think he should stay. He's been helpful as Qua, maybe he can keep it that way. Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 16:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• I agree with Boomer, to the letter. Don't talk to him like he's under surveillance, but keep an eye on his contribs for a week or two. If he screws up again, he's gone, but at least let him try to be productive. - Don Leddy the Crunch (Nyah, see, nyah!) 16:15, Jun 23
• I think he should be allowed to stay, but he should not be allowed to become involved in any conflicts (i.e. revert wars, flamewars on VFH/VFD/forums, etc.) under penalty of a one-week ban per infraction, a month and a half for every three infractions, and an infinite ban for any ban evasion. --Sir Starnestommy (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 16:25, Jun. 23, 2008

I'm abstaining until I have come up with a decision. --Sir Starnestommy (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 15:04, Jun. 24, 2008

• He has been blocked many times. When he gets blocked he just makes another account. Eventually, someone gets suspicious, runs a checkuser, and he gets banned yet again. He makes another account. Rinse and repeat. If we could actually ban him and prevent him from coming back, we should. But since I don't think that is possible, letting him try to clean up his act on here seems like the best course of action for now. One wrong move, ban his ass again. It seems like he really is trying to be helpful, except he is also a dick. Ban him if he becomes a dick. But it's going to continue to be a cycling of banning and account creation, unless he gets bored or we figure out a way to keep him blocked. - UnIdiot | | Talk | Contribs - 18:47, Jun 23
• Guys? C'mon. He did good. He did nothing but be the same person as NXwave. Qua was a good guy. He has matured. He obviously enjoys Uncyc. Give him another chance.   Le Cejak • <20:46, 23 Jun 2008>
• I'm with Cajek. He will come back no matter what and under his Qua guise he was being productive and probably would have made something of it. Sure we all know who he really is and most people will never get past this but knowing who he is on site is a lot easier than suspecting every noob for the next 111551541 years of being NXWave. He has sort of become the focus of a lot of the hate on uncyc, hell I and Hyperbole weren't around during the NXWave times yet we are still baying for blood. Sure he has acted like a fucktard sooo many times and with so many socks but there is probably no other way to solve it as there will always be proxies and we will always welcome noobs. NXWave has become a by-word for evil. --Sir DJ ~ Irreverent 14:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
• I remember being driven off for a bit by some of his socks, but still, just forgive his stupidity. He isn't that bad of a person. Hell, if he is range blocked, I'll leave(which won't sway any votes but still.). --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 21:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• So, Qua was the name he picked. I knew ol' Mordillo was find 'em eventually! I should let you know that I've personally talked to this guy on another website. He's told me he's using better judgement now, and he wishes he could come back to Uncyclopedia with a fresh new life. However, he was said it was unconfortable doing so because "NXWave" is in too deep. He wants the personas of SU182 and NXWave to be burried and long forgotten. "NXWave" has become a name that instantly causes drama, more so than Nin or them others I shouldn't mention, in accordance to the Pandora's Box policy. Yes, yes, he's been a real annoyance in the past, a result of his social problems. I know it's hard to believe that people can change, but I'm willing to put my own less-than-perfect reputation on the line that he's truely a better person. -- Kippy the Elf Talk Works ☃ 21:54, Jun. 23, 2008
  • Dear God, I pray he doesn't pull me down with the ship. Damn my infinite mercy! -- Kippy the Elf Talk Works ☃ 21:56, Jun. 23, 2008
    • Screw it, I have my own future the worry about. Yeah, he's a nice guy and all, but I don't want defending him to be the thing that finally puts and end to me. -- Kippy the Elf Talk Works ☃ 22:05, Jun. 23, 2008
      • Yeah. Good job not alerting us about a sockpuppet. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 22:13 Jun 23, 2008
        • You stay out of this. It's a tough position to be in. -- Kippy the Elf Talk Works ☃ 22:31, Jun. 23, 2008
          • Let's not go down this road, I don't expect anyone running around to the adminatii and giving intelligence report. We are a humor wiki, not the Mossad. ~ 22:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
            • I thought about it some more, and I appreciate the difficulty of Kip's situation. There was no easy answer, and if anyone gives him trouble about it, I'll unhook their liver and possibly some other vital organs as well. BECAUSE I'M A DOCTOR DAMN IT – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 22:41 Jun 23, 2008
• I'll try again. I vote for him to stay, but go under very strict UN:OFFICE policies. When I talked to him, he implied he was going to stay underground and not stir up shit anymore. I kept his secret to prevent drama. However, I also took mercy on him. He reminds me of myself, in that he's been banned alot but wants to come back as a better person out of love for Uncyclopedia. That's why it's such a tough position. I want to clean up my own reputation and not get banned anymore, but at the same time I want others to enjoy Uncyclopedia. I was contemplating starting a campaign to bring AE back, but with Qua here that might not mix well. Hense, the UN:OFFICE rules should apply in that area. So complicated. I want to be a uniter, not a divider. So if he does get to stay, for the sake of being anti-drama I deny any association with him and anything he does. A vote is the only thing I have to do with him. -- Kippy the Elf Talk Works ☃ 23:18, Jun. 23, 2008
• This guy just keeps coming back doesn't he? And you can pretty much guarantee based on what Sannse said below that if we block him, he's just going to come back again. What would that do, it'd cause more drama, and we'd have this all over again. I was surprised Qua was actually NXWave, he's a nice guy, he's made decent contributions and has generally been a nice member of the community. Granted he was a complete and utter fuckface before, but now...I think he's changed. Call me too forgiving, but I think this proves he CAN contribute positively to the community regardless of past actions, and his determinations (Which I quite frankly admire) proves he wants to as well. Based on that, I think he should stay. (Bonner) (Talk) Jun 24, 07:08
• Leave him be. Until he actually starts drama, just let it alone. He's obviously gonna keep coming back so banning him is a waste of time anyway. Give him some editing restrictions, make it clear that we know who he is and we're watching him, and give him a legitimate chance to redeem himself. -OptyC Sucks! CUN17:30, 25 Jun
• Keep as per Bonner. Even though he made Modus swear. I can get past that. -- Spillin DylanTALKEDITS04:39, June 26 2008

General remark regarding the "let him stay we can't block him anyway. That's not a valid reason. If we start saying that, we might as well let every odd vandal who knows how to operate open proxies be, since it's "too much of a hassle". You know what I need to do to ban someone? Click a button. It's not a hassle. We keep tracing him, we keep banning him. It's actually much more of a hassle for him to rebuild himself a new persona each and every time. ~ 08:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Banning is easy, I agree. But what's a pain is suspecting every single new user that shows any promise of being a sock. And what if we're wrong at some point? What if some new user that knows a little about wiki formatting and used a proxy to get around a block at their school suddenly finds that they're permabanned with a block reason referencing some user they've never heard of? That's what I'm afraid of. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 17:11, Jun 26

Stays blocked

Score: +18

• ~Block~ I honestly think 1 sock puppet is OK but 4 sock puppets is a bit much. People should always be given second chances, but it seems NXWave was given this and (although he did do good work) screwed this one up too. The best thing here is to ban his current sock puppet and his entire range if possible. He has 2 indefbanned accounts, scared off people, and evaded bans multiple times. He used up his get out of jail free card. Not that I have anything against him but rules shouldn't be bended until they snap! But what do I know, I'm a cat. --

  kingkitty ~Fuck you~

  16:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• Infinirange ban - Block his entire range. Anything less would be a deriliction of common sense. He can beg all he wants, but AE was irreplacable. He can go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and be a dick there. Obstain pending further discussion --Nytrospawn 14:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
• Ban. It's downright insulting that a user that ran off another user gets a chance to stay in our community. Besides, he's had far too much of a history. Think Qua is helpful? So was NXWave, if a bit dense when it came to speaking proper English or reviewing articles. Then he created a (now deleted) forum topic and a (now deleted) audio that managed to flame the entire community. I, for one, think he doesn't deserve another chance, and that we ought to put out the flames before they start again. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 16:18 Jun 23, 2008
• I'm not one for giving people chances. ~

  Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

  23/06/2008 @ 16:17
• I'm all for second or even third chances, and even for turning a blind eye if they're not doing anything wrong, but this guy just can't seem to keep himself in line, even with the million different chances he's had. Rangeblock if possible. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 16:35, 23 Jun 2008
• He joined the first time, and was consistently an ass. He joined a second and tried to be good. Then he went crazy, with the whole NotM fiasco, when he let his ego run amok, mocking another nominated user (scroll down to "I'm so sorry") that was just slightly too old to be a NOTM, if memory serves...all the while knowing full well that he himself wasn't a noob). Also, he ran off AE, which I'll get back to later in this post. Being helpful when he's not being an ass doesn't make up for the fact that he's an ass. Now that it's later in this post, let me say this again, he harrassed a good user to the point that the user left. I generally avoid swearing, and only do so to add emphasis to a statement, so...Fuck him. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 16:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• Ban Agree with what Modus said. If he'd returned after his first ban and behaved himself - maybe he could stay under close supervision. But he's already proven he can't stick around without violating rule #2, so we'd just be inviting trouble by letting him off again. Ban him. —rc (t) 17:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• Perma-Block/Range-Block/Whatever it takes. Oh, my. I missed out on a lot of those other accounts, but man. Everybody else has said enough already, I agree with the above stated. He drove away AE? He was a pretty cool guy, if I recall correctly....-- Hi, hey! I'M A MOTERFUCKING NIGGER BITCH LOVER 17:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• We actually have already set a precedent for unbanning people; Nintendorulez and The Crack Vandal (remember him?) come to mind immediately. Nintendorulez aside (because he never really asked to come back - recently), The Crack Vandal is probably the only relevant case. The difference though is that The Crack Vandal actually stopped being a dick for awhile, looked around, came on IRC, made it known that he was sorry and wanted to change, and then changed - while under UN:OFFICE mandate. I do not think that this problem can be resolved in the opposite order. Dicks must acknowledge that they are dicks, and want to change. SU182 has never shown me - through his actions and words - that he feels any remorse for his actions (such as driving AE off the wiki) or wants to stop. Therefore, I think we should maintain vigilance and make it clear to SU182 that he is not welcome at Uncyclopedia until further notice (from him, not us, of course). -- The Zombiebaron 17:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• Fuck that shit. We're not dealing with some brainless JASON HALLAMEYA here, he isn't some kid who we can just coerce into being good. This guy is cold, calculating, and harrassing. He will always be a threat, even with strict rules placed on him. He stays gone. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 18:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• Ban Sure, as a relative newbie, I shouldn't be throwing stones, but seriously. AE was considerably less of a dick than him, and if he actively interferes with other users, not to mention being an arse elsewhere, I'd think the other option would be in order. But coming back under alias... We need a template for people who support a ban, just for the irony. » DJ "Reaper of Fail" Gentoo, now with wit, sarcasm, and even more obscure folk metal. Now in lime green! 18:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• Strong ban. I really don't think that someone who ran off a user, came fairly close to running off another, seems to have some sort of award fixation (see: Improver/YTTE NotM controversy, Qua's userpage saying "I hope to .win many awards here"), and generally doesn't seem to be civil should be given an absolute chance. People like Hallameya and Rich (Crack Vandal, for the newbies) actually calmed down and talked to people. I don't see that happening here personally. ―― Sir Heerenveen, KUN [UotM RotM VFH FFS SK CM NS OME™] (talk), 23/06 18:22
• Get rid. He made Modus swear. I can count on my fingers the number of times I've seen Modus swear. That alone is powerful testimony. Allied to the constant ban evasion, the sockpuppetry, the outbursts of dickishness, the sheer gall of his deceit so many times, the total lack of contrition, the outright hostility shown on several occasions and sundry other offences - frankly, pretty much anything we can do to ensure he goes and stays gone is fine by me (except banning half the interwebs, 'cos knowing my luck it'll be my half). --UU - natter 18:28, Jun 23
• Reluctant block I agree with Led that keeping his current account would be a feasible way to keep him from coming back under different aliases, and I really am tired of potential NotM's (Qua and The Improver I took particular interest to, and was thinking of adopting The Improver at the time) having to be suspected every month of sockpuppetry, but think about this. If he stays, what is he to us? Dead weight. He can't be eligible for awards because we know his intentions, there will be a glaring bias against anything he produces that ever gets nominated for anything, and his input into all discussions will be soarly looked down upon. Unfortunately, we've got to ban another sock. Also, per DrS, as his comment definitely swayed me (the way it was worded anyway). Oh and for the record, I never really liked AE all that much (but it doesn't make what NXWave did right). -RAHB 23:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC) Abstain for now. -RAHB 09:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Un-abstain. Block I've been giving him too much credit. He's going to keep repeating what he's been doing, and he doesn't deserve the other chance at this point. Regarding the "work" that he's done, it's all been a thinly veiled attempt to win some stupid award. Drove off a user (and flamed countless others I'm not as educated about in the matter I believe) knowingly and willingly, went insane, never once apologized, never once said "I want to change." And he's unlikely too. -RAHB 08:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
• Reluctant block - I changed my vote after looking over the 'evidence' a little more. He's had many chances, but ruined most of them. Sorry to say, but what's done is done. :S - Admiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate 23:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
• Rangeblock, or the closest we can actually come to it, before we get into the habit of running checkusers on every NotM candidate. I don't know what this guy's deal is, but he and Uncyc can't seem to get along. I might feel differently if he actually ever tried to reconcile with his past, like apologize or explain, but as far as I know he hasn't done anything but sockpuppetry and trying to get an award he knows he doesn't qualify for. --Pleb SYNDROME _{CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!)} 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
• Block that is in no way reluctant - There's something seriously wrong with this guy. I've read his contributions, and you can almost see him going on and off his meds. The guy picked a fight with YTTE, for fuck's sake. Who picks a fight with YTTE? Also, you know what? Oh My God! There's a Meteor Heading Towards Us was a shitty article. Cajek, YTTE, Nyp, and I all tried to fix it, and by the end it still sucked. There isn't even a baby to throw out with the bathwater, here. This is bathwater full of mosquito larvae. Kill it with defenestration. --Hyperbole 00:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
• Block--Sycamore (Talk) 13:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
• Block A history of troublemaking that ranges from somewhat irritating to borderline manic. He has proven time and again that he is incapable of being a part of this site without stirring up shit. I'd gladly vote for the banning of every sockpuppet he throws at our site for the next 80 years. --THE 18:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Feed Qua to starving dogs

Score: +3

• Turning Qua into dog meat could save the lives of several malnourished dogs. It would be immoral not to do this. Sir Cs1987 UOTM. t. c 04:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
• Hell yeah! Those dogs need nutrition ASAP! --Sir Starnestommy (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 22:52, Jun. 28, 2008
• A wild pack of family dogs came running through the yard, as little Qua played. The dogs took him away and I guess he was eaten up, okay, guess he was eaten up, okay. And I'm sitting outside by my mud lake waiting for the pack to take me away; right after I die, the dogs start floatin' up toward the glowing sky. Now they'll receive their rewards now they will receive their rewards now they will receive their rewards. --Hyperbole 21:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Other discussion...?

This is more of a question for sannse, but could NXWave and his affiliates' ranges be blocked without banning half the internet? - Don Leddy the Crunch (Nyah, see, nyah!) 16:25, Jun 23

It depends how wide the range is, and how much collateral damage would be had by blocking it (existing users, potential users). Of course, he could very well have a static IP that could be blocked and be done with. — Sir Manticore 17:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Mhmm...basically, what I'm wondering is, if we decide to ban his whole range permanently, could he still come back? The only reason I didn't vote to get rid of him forever is that blocking him only seems to make him want to come back, and maybe letting him have an account here would put an end to this sockpuppetry thing. If you can really guarantee him being gone for good, though, I'd gladly change my vote. - Don Leddy the Crunch (Nyah, see, nyah!) 17:27, Jun 23

We can't do a range block here - he's already using open proxies. However many of those we block, there will always be more. -- sannse (talk) 18:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a question for Qua. What gives? Talk to us. Tell us why we should let you back on the site. I know you can't edit at the moment (at least, not with this account) but rather than going through this whole cycle again, how about mailing me with a reply to paste here? My email address is on my Wikia user page -- sannse (talk) 18:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Or go on IRC. We're always there. Seriously, we never sleep. » DJ "Reaper of Fail" Gentoo, now with wit, sarcasm, and even more obscure folk metal. Now in lime green! 18:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Since when

Since when do we hold votes to decide if a user gets banned or not? This wouldn't have happened at good old famine's time.---Asteroid B612 (aka Rataube) - Ñ 18:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Good old Famine's time? You mean the time when SU182 first got banned? Look how great that turned out, eh? In my recollection, more drama occurred (Asperger's et al) when Famine was around. Call me crazy, but pining for a golden age that wasn't even a golden age makes no sense whatsoever.~~ Sir Ljlego, GUN  [talk] 22:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we don't have a guy like Famine on this site anymore. ~

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

23/06/2008 @ 18:40

Don't blame me, I didn't start this topic. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 18:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Gents, I have no issue with keep banning him from him to eternity, and you might notice that I actually set a very strict scorched earth policy against his previous aliases. However, several admins and users pointed to me in the past that we need to give him a second chance. Therfore, I wanted to end this issue once and for all. Either we get rid of him for good, or we let him stay. Clear cut case. ~ 22:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

We're having a vote because there's an actual question here. If we let him stay, he might become productive, but if we ban him again he may just come back, worse than ever. This isn't about nostalgia, or even about a guy who is potentially useful. It's about locking him down in one account so he can't just continue to evade bans. I'm fucking tired of suspecting everybody nommed for NotM of being NXWave, and this might be a way to end that. Famine is no longer relevant, nor is nostalgia, or talk about 'the good old days.' Let's take a second to worry about the issue at hand, ok? - Don Leddy the Crunch (Nyah, see, nyah!) 18:47, Jun 23

"If we let him stay, he might become productive". Past experience suggests otherwise. Multiple past experiences. Also, speaking of nostalgia, remember Famine? Ahhhh, good times. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 19:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Nostalgia is not what it used to be anymore.---Asteroid B612 (aka Rataube) - Ñ 20:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Remember back when nostalgia was what it used to be? Y'know, back when Famine was here. Those were the good old days. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 20:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Pepperidge Farm remembers. ~

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

23/06/2008 @ 21:23

/me sips flavoured coffee Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 21:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Remember that time I claimed that was just a new kind of coffee cream and not my cum in your coffee? --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 21:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. /me sips flavoured coffee Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 22:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Its not that we dont want to ban him. He has circumvented bans enough times to show that he's using a proxy client (most probably a SOCKS client. Pun intended). I would have given all his accounts another round of infinibans. And then a range ban. But that probably wouldnt work. We need something more systematic --Nytrospawn 19:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that I LOVE the idea of putting certain bans on trial, and this result confirms my gut feeling. Bravo, Unc.-community!--<<>> 01:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Is reminding me of show trials that we did listen to with radio, back in days of child's hood. Once even, I was witness in trial for parents of me. Much denouncing was said by me. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 13:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Has it ever occurred to all y'all who are sayin' "oh but Qua was a good feller, he didn't do anything"

...that maybe he did that just to win Noob of the Month, which he's been trying to do for a good while now? – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 21:53 Jun 23, 2008

Well he lost now. Case closed.   Le Cejak • <22:16, 23 Jun 2008>

Just pointing something out

There's precedent for banning someone for starting a poll to decide a user's fate:

• 02:49, 7 June 2007 Olipro (Talk | contribs) blocked Dexter111344 (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 week ‎ (firstly, you have no right to start polls to decide a users fate, secondly, you have no right to try and override me either)

Just saying... (Also, if anyone's interested, the user was JASON HALLAMEYA.) --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 22:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Not a proper analogy. He didn't bully any user off the site. ~ 22:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Nor are you an admin, Dexter. Mordillo's been taking care of NX socks since they started popping up. - Don Leddy the Crunch (Nyah, see, nyah!) 22:28, Jun 23

Bleh. Only reason I was actually banned then was cause I pissed off Oli. Ban yourself Mordillo! DO IT! 5 minutes? 2? 7 seconds? 1 second? Give me your password? Money? Drugs? Fine... Fuck y'all. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 22:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Bad analogy, Mordillo is a better admin than Olipro. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 22:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Bad analogy, I like sports analogies better. "Two outs with 11 seconds left in the first half, down by 1, and the first line is going out onto some choppy ice at the 4-yard-line..." - Don Leddy the Crunch (Nyah, see, nyah!) 22:52, Jun 23

I feel like I've seen this all before

Just the term "if he fucks up this time, then infiniban him" and its derivatives. Didn't we say that before? Perhaps with the Improver? Perhaps I'm thinking of something else, it's just that I get the odd suspicion that the next time The NXQuaprover gets nominated or NotM and is doing good things, we'll once more be saying "if he fucks up next time, infiniban." That was my pointless rant of the day. I do that from time to time. -RAHB 23:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe it came up once with Nintendorulez as well, but he was infinibanned and we never saw the bastard again. ~

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

24/06/2008 @ 00:15

Yeah. The bastard! – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 00:38 Jun 24, 2008

Question to Uncyclopedia

If you found out that I'm NXWave, would you still love me in the morning? --Pleb SYNDROME _{CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!)} 00:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

No, but I would still love you all night long. -RAHB 00:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't love you now. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 07:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Please, guys, not in front of the children. --Pleb SYNDROME _{CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!)} 13:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone find it sad the near last thing he wrote was

Uncyclopedia is okay. How sad. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 08:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Zany Idea

What if we did this? Block Qua first of all. Even if Qua was kept, as I stated earlier, he would be treated like more of a nuisance and a subhuman than a member of the community. While this may be fitting to the character he's portrayed so many times in the past, it still isn't befitting of our community to subject a member to that if we've decided to keep him around (by current vote score it looks like he'll be gone, but who knows).

If/when he does come back, eventually somebody finds out about it, as is prone to happen. Let's say Sannse finds out about it through the checkuser (which is the only way to confirm I suppose). Now let's say this new incarnation makes positive contributions, does not flame, is not a dick, or at least is appropriate enough about things to fit into Uncyclopedia with little or no conflict. Sannse can then let whoever suspected him know, or maybe a few choice admins, but the word of it should not yet trickle down to the Uncyclopedia community as a whole. Maybe if it leaks from here to there it's fine, but generally oblivious community members like myself won't really know or care as long as this guy is positively contributing and not making a fuss.

Overtime, after he's proven himself (possibly for a predetermined amount of time, say five or six months just as an example), word can slowly be released to Uncyclopedia, in a very casual manner (aka, no huge debating forum posts, just quick "hey did you hear?" style word-of-mouth stuff in IRC and such (and in fact, I'd say automatically delete any forum topic about it in such a set of circumstances, if it's an issue)).

Now, what does this all accomplish? Well, it fulfills the need to ban a user who has given us constant trouble, and gets rid of any of the prejudicial manner we would be treating him with if he was kept. On the other hand, it allows a user who has at least shown some sort of desire to positively contribute, to do that. I can't truthfully say that "everybody's happy" in that situation, but it certainly seems to solve a lot of merely ethically-based issues. And considering he's going to keep coming back anyways, we may as well allow him to positively contribute in his new identity IF he is willing to positively contribute.

</two cents> -RAHB 09:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather know who he is if we let him stay. Otherwise I'll keep looking crookedly at all new comers. ~ 11:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, we're going to be looking crookedly anyway. There's no sure-fire way to keep him from coming back, and I'm sure it'll happen again. -RAHB 11:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure there is. /me cocks shotgun.--<<>> 12:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I said last time, and the time before possibly. The guy just can't stop himself causing trouble. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 12:10, 24 Jun 2008

That solution would make sense if he were willing to compromise and negotiate and agree to it and talk out his problems, but as far as I know he hasn't ever done any of that. (Also, it looks like his sock EvaWNX isn't blocked.) --Pleb SYNDROME _{CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!)} 13:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

That's because that's the wrong sock--Mordillo screwed up his sdrawkcab. It's EvaWXN. - Don Leddy the Crunch (Nyah, see, nyah!) 16:29, Jun 24

"... we may as well allow him to positively contribute in his new identity IF he is willing to positively contribute." -RAHB 13:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

For me, some obvious sign of repentance, and an acknowledgement of past transgressions and an undertaking not to repeat them might be a start, I guess. While he may have said something to Kip elsewhere, there was never any remorse shown for running AE off, or going head-to-head with YTTE, or any such drama. At least, none that I'm aware of. OK, so he's been well behaved thus far, but that is kind of like saying a criminal escaped from prison who hasn't robbed or murdered anyone since escaping must be all right now - it's missing the point. The guy was banned for significant and repeated transgressions - we can't just brush that under the carpet. I'm happy to forgive and forget in most cases, but that's a hell of a lot easier if the individual shows an understanding of what they did wrong. All he's done is carefully avoid causing a problem so far in his latest guise, which is not the same thing. If he is to remain on the site, which I'm still not keen on, I'd prefer if it were under a known alias, as I agree with Mordillo, I'm suspicious of any competent new users, which isn't fair on them, as much as anything else. But without him standing up and admitting he's been an asshole in the past, I'd prefer to see him gone. And yes, this is too long, and you didn't read it. --UU - natter 13:13, Jun 24

I read it, just to spite you. -RAHB 13:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I just re-read it - it's basically what Syndrome said, but much wordier. I'm gonna hafta learn to be more succinct. --UU - natter 13:37, Jun 24

Nonsense, I love paragraphs. They're much more interesting than sentences (contrary to popular belief). -RAHB 13:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Bfrgfgfgrnnnnmpphh

I never really had any involvement in this but I'm still posting in order to look like I'm still a prominent member of this community. :P --~FAG! +chatline "if it ain't broke, break it" (CUN·VFH) 13:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I HAVE MANY IMPORTANT OPINIONS REGARDING THIS INDIVIDUAL. HIB-IB-IB-IB. YES. IMPORTANT OPINIONS.   Le Cejak • <13:30, 24 Jun 2008>

THis UsEr LiKes Dicks and openly sates it - that calls for a infininibAN! Also Fag needs one to. --218.215.53.66 13:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I also wish to pretend I care. ~ ★ БурекСП ★^{★ талк ★}_{★ контриб ★} 13:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

We should get some signs and march around Mordillo's house protesting something. Like "MORE FREE BEER FOR UNCYCLOPEDIANS." --Hyperbole 23:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

What about that one guy who was Zeldafan500?

Why not ban him? He was an ass as Zeldafan and constantly added shit about Chuck Norris being awesome (which ended up him being perma-banned) but is now nice. He isn't that active on the site itself, but he's very active on IRC. If you don't know who I'm talking about, I ain't telling! I ain't a snitch. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 06:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I remember him alright. He was OVER NINE-THOOOOUUUSAAAND!!!! -- Kippy the Elf Talk Works ☃ 07:53, Jun. 25, 2008

Again, wrong analogy. There is quite a difference between putting some shitty quotes and actively bullying other users, and evading perma bans numerous times. ~ 07:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a poor analogy. There are actually OVER NINE THOUSAND differences between putting some shitty quotes and actively bullying other users. --Hyperbole 17:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

What about the one guy that was Metropolis? Is that a good analogy? Or the one guy who use to be Manforman? They're both back not being dicks. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 18:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm lying about Manforman and Metropolis being back. No need to panic. Just wanted to come up with a good analogy. Hehe. Anal. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 19:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

But your analogy was bad. Manforman and Metropolis both clearly start with "M," not "Q." Also, saying you wanted to come up with a good analogy isn't analogy at all. And your analogy to "anal" is a non-sequiturial ad hominem. You've violated the Principle of Charity and fallen afoul of the Ontological Argument. And don't even get me started on your blatant disregard for Moore's Law. You will never make a good analogy. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --Hyperbole 23:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh noes...my little baby

I have a devil child!! I adopted a devil child... Well no, actually he was a very nice little noob...I would vote for him to stay, but then I think that would be a little hypocritical, considering I didn't want the Improver to be unbanned, incase he won NotM instead of me.

Also here's a NXWave prevention idea...couldn't you create a bot with sysop permissions, that automatically check-usered new users, and then either interpreted the results, itself, or sent them all to a page only admins could read?

Meh...*sniffs*Poor me and my devil perfect child... - [08:30 28 June] Sir FSt. Don Pleb Yettie (talk) QotF BFF NotM RotM UNPotM UGotM CUN PEE SR UnProvise

The problem with that is privacy issues. CheckUser should only really be used when it's absolutely necessary, because it finds out stuff like underlying IP's and other sensitive information and it might probably is a breach of Wikia's privacy policy to use it for fishing, which is what this would be. Plus, it's mass overkill in my opine. ―― Sir Heerenveen, KUN [UotM RotM VFH FFS SK CM NS OME™] (talk), 28/06 08:40

But I like overkilling stuffs. /me produces a machine gun - [08:46 28 June] Sir FSt. Don Pleb Yettie (talk) QotF BFF NotM RotM UNPotM UGotM CUN PEE SR UnProvise

You want a vest to go along with that? --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 16:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Summary

The week is out, and the results are in. 10 for office rules, 18 for ban and 2 for starving dogs. The decision is made, this guy is out, and so is any further socks we will find in the future. Thank you citizens, you may now return to hump your camels. ~ 12:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Awww Yettie is minus a child /me dresses in adult nappy now time to break some decency laws! --Sir DJ ~ Irreverent 12:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I so glad, Shiela the Camels been getting kind of more moody since this whole Camel Fucking Curfew - Me too as well--Sycamore (Talk) 12:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Epic banning

• B4tm4n (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• DonaldTrump (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• Wikia is Propaganda (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• Lolcat (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• HonestUser (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• UnRiter (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser
• WayOut (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

• 123.140.130.209 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 124.217.219.189 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 201.52.218.46 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 203.175.45.70 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 211.252.233.238 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 212.117.51.185 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 212.175.133.27 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 222.110.247.70 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 61.105.175.69 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 81.57.138.136 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 82.158.110.232 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 85.198.239.16 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 85.70.151.139 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 85.85.77.77 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 91.74.160.18 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)
• 98.15.193.169 (Talk • Contribs (del) • Block (rem-lst-all) • Whois • City • Proxy? • WP Edits • Checkuser)

The aforementioned users and IP addresses have all been banned by me (please don't underestimate how much time this took >_<) following recent CheckUser information. Interestingly enough, several of them were already banned for making attacks against several users. — Sir Manticore 15:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

So... those were all NX socks? - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 15:25, Jun 30

I knew there was something funny about all those guys who did nothing but vote on NotM! I just never would have guessed NXWave. ―― Sir Heerenveen, KUN [UotM RotM VFH FFS SK CM NS OME™] (talk), 30/06 16:41

Those are all his socks? I'm impressed. Talk about being dedicated. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 16:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh and the whole thing about me quitting was a lie. I do that a lot, as you all know. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 17:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Donald Trump was NXWave? O_O ...shit. -RAHB 23:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Uh, I'm, like, still waiting for my money, so I can, uh, get some chicks. And then I'll score, uh huh huh huh huh........ Butt-head 23:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

EH HEH HEH HEH! Yeah...uhm....eh heh...like, me too...eh heh...eh heh...EH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH! MONEY! MONEY! EH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH! -Beavis

Shut up, Beavis! You're never gonna score, uh huh huh huh huh huh. -Butt-head 00:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

...tell me, Mr. Trump, what good is a username if you're unable to type? Agent Smith 05:14, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, that's my job! - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 17:28, Jul 1

Blah blah, blah, purpose. Agent Smith 17:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Have we got an IRC spy?

I'm lookin' at lolcat and DonaldTrump especially. Are one of our "lurkers" actually NXWave? – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 00:38 Jul 01, 2008

Now that I look again, Wikia is Propaganda looks pretty damn suspicious too. All of these names seem to coincide with complaints / usernames on IRC. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 00:39 Jul 01, 2008

DrS uses lolcat on IRC. BAN BAN BAN!!! -RAHB 00:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, IRC Trump and Uncyc Trump are the same person, I know that much. So ban that guy from the IRC. -RAHB 00:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

We need to sort out who everyone is officially before jumping to conclusions. Maybe trying to list all used nicks under who owns them would help. After that we can weed out who is unknown, and find out lurker. Lieutenant THEDUDEMAN Dude ... Totally UOTM KUN GotA F@H 00:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I use Dexter111344, Dex|Away, Black_Jesus, & Heath_Ledger just so I don't get banned. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 00:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

That's what's setting off alarm bells - I was lolcat in IRC, and only in IRC. Is it just a coincidence that NXWave used the sock "lolcat" after I started using lolcat on IRC? I doubt it. There's got to be someone in there. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 00:51 Jul 01, 2008

He's probably reading this conversation right now. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 00:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Likely, it's not like he's got anything better to do than obsess over some website. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 00:58 Jul 01, 2008

We all know now. Oh well. And he WAS watching. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 01:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

TaylorKarras is NXWave. The guy who was Zeldafan500 is a hypocrite. Cussing out Taylor the way he did. Wait... Taylor insulted my numbers last week... Even after I threatened to leave for him... Fuck him! --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 02:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Taylor is NXWave? Fuckin' ay... -RAHB 02:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Shit, that wasn't a joke? Aye carumba.... - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 02:28, Jul 1

Nope. Not a joke. If you don't believe me, look here. Ljlego said he has known. Kip told him long before I discovered this. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 02:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Taylor also admitted to being the Winkler impersonator. So, add that drama to it all. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 02:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

So Taylor is the Winkler impersonator, and Taylor is NXWave, so NXWave is the Winkler impersonator. sigh. I think it's time guys. /me turns off the internet. It's for the best... -RAHB 02:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Taylor was also the guy who wanted to start the vandalism wiki, right? Oh wait, sorry. I can't leave this comment, I already turned off the internet....dammit! -RAHB 02:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The bans are done...

... So let's move on with our lives and not turn this into more of a dramafest than it already is. —rc (t) 02:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

/me sets up a tent at Drama-Fest 2008. This is gonna be the best Drama-Fest EVER! -RAHB 02:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

If only Drama were here to see it. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 02:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Did somebody say my name?

I haven't read the whole discussion but...

...I will later. My first impression, however, is that NXWave bullied another user off the site, that is inexcusable. -- malevolent Ape (adhere) (Riot Porn) 20:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

For naming ApeOnThursdays Captain Obvious's trusty sidekick, Restate Previously Reached Conclusions Lad. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 20:49, Jul 2

FU Led, I told you I didn't read the fucking thing. I'm on dial-up. It costs way too fucking much to sit here reading when I could do so offline. If you want something interesting, wait till tomorrow. -- malevolent Ape (adhere) (Riot Porn) 20:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The last century called. It wants its modem back. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 21:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, lets all laugh at the Irish and their backwards fucking country! You racist. /me will start a drama one way or another. -- malevolent Ape (adhere) (Riot Porn) 21:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Irish Drama?

Rollback? FU Spang? Count to a thousand?

I'm sorry, I must be in the wrong room. Where... where am I????   Le Cejak • <4:14, 03 Jul 2008>