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This article is likely to be pwnt by True Aspies. I suggest you run like hell or play some Civilization IV before it pwns you too.

Anonymous Slashy, pictured here, thinks that we at Uncyclopedia are making fun of him.

Recently a person who suffers from Asperger Syndrome (hereafter referred to as Anonymous Slashy) had gotten upset over the article and tried to write about it in the talk page and modify the article. Anonymous Slashy claims that the VFD system was not fair with vote stacking and the VFD entry being made fun of and being mocked. That because the VFD was unfairly treated, Anonymous Slashy had to resort to blanking and vandalizing because he/she/it was not taking seriously or respected on the matter. I have been talking with this person on Todd Lyon's talk page and my own. The problem, as Anonymous Slashy puts it is that people who suffer from Asperger Syndrome cannot pick up on social clues about jokes and take things seriously. That there have been some incidents in which a person with AS, after being joked about, went on a shooting rampage(as has also been alleged of people who eat too many sugary foods). That joking about AS makes it hard for local governments to help people with AS or society or culture understand what an AS sufferer might be going through. I want people here to honestly read Asperger Syndrome and see if we should be making fun of mental illnesses and disabilities. He/she claimed it was like making fun of niggers and queers, which of course Uncyclopedia would never do. This person was banned, but seems to have an unlimited number of IP proxies and library access computers to get around the banning, so the problem is not going to go away.

All I ask is for an honest and serious assessment of the Asperger Syndrome article, and if it should be deleted because:

1. It might cause some (maybe a few) AS sufferers to go on a shooting rampage
2. It is unethical and immoral to make fun of the mentally ill and disabled
3. In a way it is a bigoted article
4. We don't really know that much about Asperger Syndrome as it is a new disability
5. It might go against Wikia's policy of defaming certain protected groups

--Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 00:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Should the Asperger Syndrome article be put up for a VFD?

• Yes We need to evaluate if it is offensive and might be harming a group of people that are a minority and suffering from a mental disability --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 00:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• We went through this with Tourette's Syndrome. The cure is to make the article funny. Aspergic is not the same as humorless, but the two can coincide as with anyone - David Gerard 00:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Well in this case, an AS sufferer is unable to tell if the article is funny or is being offensive to them. Maybe we need some sort of disclaimer on the article saying it is a joke or funny for AS sufferers to clue in on? --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 00:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Are AS sufferers unable to find it funny? I don't know this is a fact at all. --Sir ENeGMA (talk) GUN WotM PLS 00:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

In some cases they are unable to find it funny, the anonymous poster did not find it funny at first. I tried to explain to him/her that it is a joke and is supposed to be funny. I am having a hard time getting him/her to accept it as a joke. He/she still thinks it is bigoted and unfair to AS sufferers. There is even a template on the article saying that it is meant to be offensive, which an AS sufferer might see as a fact, instead of a joke. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 00:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I just realized something here, don't you yourself have Aspergers Orion? What's your personal take? Do you get the satire? Do you find it offensive? I don't see how this is actually mean-spirited at all. It's clear the object of satire isn't people suffering from the actual disease, but the actors who are being made fun of. This article isn't "Haha, laugh at this sick person" it's "laugh at this person who isn't sick, but we're pretending is for the purposes of satire." There's a difference. I'm strongly against censorship, so I just can't see a valid reason to delete this article. It's not offensive to me at all. I can't really see how it could be offensive. What's offensive about it?

I mean, just reading the Wikipedia article (admittedly not the perfect source), it says people with Aspergers often have a gift for satire, not, as this person claims, an inability to understand humor. And I quote: "Individuals with AS may use words idiosyncratically, including new coinages and unusual juxtapositions. This can develop into a rare gift for humor (especially puns, wordplay, doggerel and satire). A potential source of humor is the eventual realization that their literal interpretations can be used to amuse others. Some are so proficient at written language as to qualify as hyperlexic." This seems to basically contradict what the person was saying. I'm trying to be reasonable here, but I can't see how this is a big issue. --Sir ENeGMA (talk) GUN WotM PLS 00:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I do suffer from several mental illnesses and I was once diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome but it was later changed to Schzioaffective Disorder. In my yougher life I was teased a lot, and they could have been jokes that I didn't get and got upset over them. So yes I do feel somewhat where this Anonymous AS sufferer is coming from, and see how it might be offensive to AS sufferers. His/Her concern is that there are advanced cases of AS where they take jokes seriously and take offense and go and do violent acts as a result of the jokes they didn't get. I admit there are some jokes here I don't get, but being Uncyclopedia I know that they are meant as jokes or else this wouldn't be a humor wiki. The AS sufferer who shot 35 random people had an IQ of 60 and was made fun of because of his AS and it set him off, or so I am told. Maybe he wasn't smart enough to get the jokes? There was another example of an Internet forum making fun of an AS sufferer and he asked where to get buckshot to shoot at people who vandalized his puckins(SIC) and they made fun of him and some told him where to buy the buckshoot and he shot a few people as a result. While I admit it is rare for an AS sufferer to go on a shooting rampage, and I am not sure if this article will cause that, we need to at least consider that it might possibly set some AS sufferers off? If I have AS, it is not as bad as those who did the shootings. I am not a violent person, but I did try to commit suicide before due to being harassed and abused in the workplace and over the Internet. Maybe I didn't get the social clues to jokes, or maybe people actually harassed and abused me? --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 00:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

But I think we can agree there is a difference between personally insulting any one person and making a satirical article about an entire group of people. No, I don't honestly think this article can cause anyone harm. Now, this article, in addition to terrible treatment at the hands of other people can cause harm. But that isn't the article's fault. There's a clear distinction between 'making fun of a person' and making an article that makes light of a disorder or a condition. I think. --Sir ENeGMA (talk) GUN WotM PLS 00:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Try explaning it to this Anonymous person who has posted to Todd Lyon's and my talk pages. He/she seems to think that articles that make fun of AS actually cause people to go on shooting rampages and hurt the cause of AS by local governments not helping AS sufferers because of the jokes. I've tried to reason with him/her, and I tried to tell him/her to post about it on the forum to see what others thought. But he/she thought people would just mock them and make fun of AS some more. Said that I wouldn't even make an attempt at writing about it to see what others though. This person has AS and it is difficult for them to see that this is a funny artcle not to be taken seriously. Like I said this person has been banned and has used IP proxies and library computers to get around the bans and keeps trying to get rid of the article. I am trying to reason with him/her using logic and references on the Internet and from professionals on AS. I felt that making a forum thread about it, might help resolve the issue. The person talked about contacting Wikia, which I said go ahead and do, and see what they think about it. I just want us to be fair with this person and treat them with respect and understanding, because he/she claims to have not gotten any of that from here. Since he/she is a new user without even a registred account, we need to teach him/her the rules here and that VFD is a fair system (he/she claims it is not). I just do not want any violence to come out of this, and this person did make some threats on Todd's talk page and elsewhere, and I am trying to resolve the issues non-violently and without using a court room to do so. Can we show this person that we are peaceful and not really unfair in any way? --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 01:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

You're assuming that this isn't just an elaborate troll. See, I'm sort of the opposite of Wikipedia. I always assume bad faith. Honestly, if someone is continually vandalizing the website, I can't take their claims seriously. Vandalism is what trolls do, not what serious people with serious concerns do. I see no reason to respect a repeat vandal who won't even make an account and take up this issue himself. What's reasonable about vandalization and vague threats? Nothing. Nothing at all. This person does more of a diservice to Aspergers sufferers than we ever could. That's what this issue demonstates, if anything. --Sir ENeGMA (talk) GUN WotM PLS 01:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hard to say if this is some troll or a person suffering from mental illnesses so bad that they have an impulse control problem and do not see that what they are doing is wrong. I have to assume it is the later, and that maybe writing a forum post for them will help them see what other people think and maybe find a few AS sufferers to throw in their two cents as well. All I know is that banning them only makes them worse as they can use proxies and library systems to get on here and keep making threats and vandalizing and blanking. I had hoped to reason it out with them lgocially, and then I had an idea to bring it to the forum and hope they communicate in the forum with us. If you view my talk page User talk:Orion Blastar you will see that I tried to argue why the article would not cause someone to go on a shooting rampage and why they could be wrong. It is hard to argue with them and I have tried. So I decided to give him/her the benefit of the doubt and write a forum post on it and see what others thought. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 02:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Against. A few reasons here. 1. First and foremost: we're a comedy site. Its all in the name of humor. I'm sure Niggers offends blacks, Emo affects emos, Beaner offends Mexicans, Gay offends gays, etc. etc. etc...This is no different, and all those are allowed. 2. Its actually a funny article. 3. Its by Todd Lyons for christsakes...-- Sir C  Holla | CUN 01:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Orion here. Imagine how you will all feel if someone does kill people because of this article. I'm not saying that it will happen, nor is it probably likely, but what if. The article isn't even funny and is quite offensive. I know offensive is what uncyc is all about, but unfunny isn't. Aaadddaaammm 02:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Some things that come to mind as I read this. 1)A person with an IQ of 60 would not be able to read this forum, use a proxy, or spell Asperger. 2)We have gone through almost this EXACT thing with Tourette's Syndrome, only without the psychophobia that this anonymous IP seems to have (rather strongly). 3)ENeGMA is right: Uncyclopedia is MADE for people with Asperger's, as they often develop a gift of language after years of misunderstanding (I'm no expert, but what Wikipedia says makes sense. If you run into a lingual wall enough times, you'll eventually make a new lingual path.  ;) Throughout history, it's the people who suffer and have to work harder than others but don't give up that become the true artists.) 4)This person talks like a troll, smells like a troll, looks like a troll, and acts like a troll. While it's true that they still might not BE a troll, the odds aren't good. 5)IF this person goes on a shooting rampage because of an article they read on the internet, that wasn't specifically about them, I don't see how removing it is going to stop them, as they OBVIOUSLY aren't thinking any more rationally than your average fundamentalist.--<<>> 02:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: If, and I do mean if, putting this article to a vote will placate the user and make life easier for us, I see no problem with doing it, since there is about 0% chance it will be deleted. However, it looks like there is reason to believe that doing this will not placate the user, since they can just complain about the same things again. The operative concern here should be what is easiest for us, not an excercise in meaningless procedure. This complaining user is a vandal, not a member of our community, and thus has no rights here.

The issue of some person with asperger's syndrome shooting someone is a red herring. Plenty of screwed up kids without asperger's syndrome have done that too. Barring surprising evidence to the contrary, I am unwilling to believe that a satirical article on asperger's syndrome creates a significant risk of violence. In this country we lock up people who are so mentally unstable that a joke will cause them to become homocidal, and Asperger's afflicted people are not locked up. I can only presume that they have just as much sense as the rest of us.

Even if Asperger's syndrome sufferers cannot (fully) understand the humor of the article, I think this would be a moral issue only if the humor of the article relied on this fact. In other words, if the point of the article was to make us laugh by pissing off people who could not realize it was satire because of a mental impairment, I think we'd have a problem. But the article clearly is a mockery of Hollywood celebrities who act like they have a social impairment even though they don't, and are in fact just assholes.

Finally, I see no legal problem with the article. My understanding is that defamation must be against individual(s). In order to be defamation, the statements must also be presented as truth, which the page is clearly not.

And, grr, I took to long writing this and was edit conflicted by half a dozen people.---Rev. Isra (talk) 02:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I have asperger's, and I'm not offended in the least. And even if I was, it's not something to delete an article over. Offinsiveness seems more like a reason to KEEP an article, if you ask me. --User:Nintendorulez 23:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I am learning disabled, and have anxiety and depression. I am offended that Uncyclopedia has an article on only one of these and not all of them! --Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 23:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I am white, middle-class and mentally and physically healthy. I'm offended that there's nothing for me to get offended by. For shame! -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 12:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You ARE from Portsmouth.....isn't that punishment enough for you? You sick, sick man..... -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

I didn't realise you could be middle class and from Portsmouth, AT THE SAME TIME!! Maybe standards of middle class are lower there... -- Soul101 ~_MA^REPENT! 14:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Against I just happen to have asperger's syndrome myself, as well as autism and ADD, and I didn't find the article offensive at all. In fact, I thought it was quite hilarious. I understand that the people with aspie's cannot understand when someone is joking, but we seriously do not have to delete the article over this fact. It would be like deleting the article on 9/11 simply because a few uber-patriotic americans were offended by the satirical nature of the content. Therefore, I think deleting the asperger's syndrome article because one person took it too seriously is highly unethical. --General Insineratehymn 20:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

My 2 cents

As an Aspie, I don't give a shit that the article makes fun of the syndrome. Uncyclopedia is about making fun of everything, right? Like a less vindictive Encyclopedia Dramatica. I'd suggest upping the 'this is nonsense, take it with a grain of salt' factor to avoid future confrontations. --Sara, 10:16pm, October 2006

I hate to be a heartless, selfish bastard, but if we catered to every interest group that was offended by an article, there wouldn't be any content left and we'd have to pack in the whole project. I agree that the cure is to rewrite, not to eliminate. And blanking is vandalism and that is never justified under any circumstances. Although it doesn't qualify anything I've said, I'm also diagnosed AS, but I believe that because of life experience and careful learning, I have overcome most of the practical impacts of that diagnosis. I do feel that the cure for anyone is offended by an article here is either to edit to maintain or improve humor while removing offense, or simply not to browse the site. Uncyclopedia isn't for everyone. It requires a sense of humor, an understanding that not everything you read here is personal to you or should be taken seriously, and not least, the ability to laugh at yourself and your own foibles and faults. Barring that, maybe www.hellokitty.com would be a better internet destination. Unless cats without mouths is offensive to cats. Or possibly, mouths.

All that awful stuff being said, the article sucks and needs a total rewrite; unfortunately my talent is unnews, not articles. I could try but I can't guarantee it will be an improvement. And I'm sorry if my comments have annoyed anyone, but when I come to uncyclopedia, I want to laugh, and if people run around yanking things that I may possibly find funny just because they find them offensive, I'm sorry, but I find that unbelievably selfish and small-minded. It's not all about you, to put it bluntly, and if you're offended by anything here, edit it or bring it up, but don't vandalize and don't censor my comedy. The last thing we need here is the ad hoc equivalent of the Hays code, enforced by the easiest offended, most delicate egos on the internets. --Hrodulf 02:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree that we should keep the article. I'm aspie and I don't mind. I know it's all in good taste. That's what this Wiki is all about. If you get offended, tough. It's not our goal to offend anyone, but only to be funny. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 02:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not our goal to offend everyone? --User:Nintendorulez 00:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

No it's not - that's Encyclopedia Dramatica`s department. --Anonymous Slashy

Mm, I see what you mean. Sorry if I came off as saying "cater to everyone who might be offended". Doing that might save you from backlash, but it'd make the site less fun. I'm all for "don't like, don't read"; reading something just to complain about being offended is pointless. I say do what you think's best with the article. :) --Sara

I'm of the opinion that to give special consideration to certain groups but continue to make fun of all the others is less ethical than making fun of them all. Consider my favourite T-shirt site, www.tshirthell.com. 95% of their hate mail comprises of exactly the same complaint: "I love your t-shirts, but this particular one offends something I like or am close to, that's discrimination, please remove it". The answer is always the same: "removing that would be more discriminating than not removing it". If you're going to go about offending people, the fairest way is to offend everyone.
Everyone has a line they'd rather not see crossed, but it's hypocritical to remove something just because it crossed someone else's line, as it were. There's only one workable way to combat this: have no line. Make the "offence factor" negligible when considering an article for deletion. As long as it's funny, it has to stay. Deciding whether something's funny or not is an entirely different discussion ;) • Spang • ☃ • talk • 03:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

My contribution (Voting Yes)

As the person who has been speaking to Orion Blaster I`ll just clarify the issue first.

1. For Orion, the VFD discussion I was referring to was NOT about Aspergers. It was about another subject entirely.

2. There is an insinuation that Aspies have no sense of humour. This is not true. The correct interpretation is that Aspies can not cope with destructive criticism. Mockery is included in this. The article is mocking in it`s nature.

I get tons of destructive criticism from my peers all the time. I can put up with it, despite deing an aspie. Hell, I not only put up with it, I also don't give a shit about it. --User:Nintendorulez 00:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You are not an Aspie, Nin. So don`t claim it. A true Aspie would not have coped unless the wrongdoers were punished. In your case it would appear they weren`t. --Anonymous Slashy

I do have both ADHD and Asperger's, but unlike you I am aware of what the syndrome does to my brain and I take this into account when thinking. I don't let the disease get in my way. What makes you think I would lie about something like this? It did bug me a lot in elementary school, but after a while I just got used to it and learned to not care what others think about me. Don't call me a liar. --User:Nintendorulez 22:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Nin. I am an Aspie, and I understand how you feel, Anony. I feel like that at times. But not all the time. You're just perpetuating stereotypes about us. You're the one causing the trouble, and you're the one offending Aspies, not us. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 01:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Nin, didn't you set the record for "Most destructively criticized Uncyclopedian" at one point?--<<>> 01:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

3. The reference to the shooting rampage is specific to Martin Bryant. For those who don`t know, Bryant killed 35 innocent people in Port Arthur, Australia, in April 1996. Because he hasn`t been co-operative with the psychiatrists trying to find out why he did it, it has been left to these same psych`s to make some educated guesses. The most accurate one is that Bryant is an Aspie. Now I want to point out that the reason for the rampage - in my opinion - is that he has had a history of being mocked and bullied and something just snapped. What we will probably never know.

4. I support all five of Orion`s points (well covered there at least!)

Now then, Sir Enema claimed that Aspies have a guft with satire. Now in general that may have some truth to it. But satire and mockery are not the same thing. Satire is done with full respect to the subject, and mockery is not. The Aspergers article here is mockery, not satire.

Orion, you were teased as a child because they didn`t understand you. This article is doing the exact same thing. I can forgive children for mocking because they don`t know any better, but adults are another matter. It`s not that we don`t get the jokes (for the most part). We just don`t like getting laughed AT, because we don`t understand why it`s acceptable to do so.

Orion, you also gave us another example which is even better than Bryant. Thank you for that. Along with that note about suicide.

Sir Enema, I think you need to listen to Orion. Assuming bad faith is the wrong attitude to take because it causes more trouble than assuming good faith. I only vandalised because I was being ignored after the first banning prior to Orion first coming across me. This issue can not be ignored. Now maybe I reacted with my gut to the first ban, but after the VFD awhile ago (again, that wasn't about AS) I didn`t see any other way to get my message across.

Sir Cornbread - what you are supporting is mocking something you don`t understand. That is the difference between mocking Aspergers and mocking the other subjects you nominated. Having said that, I'm sure there are blacks in this world who are offended by the phrase you used. Especially if they are a Black Panther (who have a more pronounced prediliction for violence much like Al Queda and the Klu Klux Klan). I wouldn`t know about the middle two (what the heck is an emo anyway?) and homosexuals don`t seem to mind the word gay anymore.

Sir Brad, I said this before (to either Todd or Orion - I can`t remember which) but this article is an example of psychophobia, not me. The classic way to cover that phobia is with careless humour and mockery. I know that through experience. It`s the old adage. We don`t understand, therefore you`re nuts! When the reality is you don`t understand, and that lack of understanding creates fear. Hence the phobia. On your fifth point - every little bit helps. At least until we have the understanding that homosexuals are getting. Then perhaps this article can make a comeback.

Good point about getting the same respect as homosexuals. Now read Gay Pride.--<<>> 00:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Sara, you aren`t an Aspie judging by that remark you made.

What, just because I don't take severe offense to the article? If this were a serious page, I'd take offense. But it's Uncyclopedia. It's not supposed to be accurate or PC. --Sara

Sara you just proved you aren't an Aspie. If you were you wouldn't be able to discern as to whether or not this article was serious or not - or you would see the problem and side with me on this. --Anonymous Slashy

Oh, I see what this is about. You're an entitlement whore! I shouldn't have to defend my Aspiedom to some whiny entitlement whore, fuck you! --Sara

Damn son, what kind of Aspie defender are you? For your first bit: This doesn't occur so much with Asperger's syndrome as with the case of low-functioning Autism (which the high-functioning variety is close enough to Asperger's that I shall make no further distinctions between the two) and even if it did, that kind of statement is offensive to myself, Sara, yourself, and any other Aspie you care to name. For the second bit: If there is a problem, it's that the article is not quite humorous enough. But some do find it humorous, and evidently plenty do not agree with you. If anyone would side with you, more power to them, but such blanket statements are worse than the disrespect this article causes.

Won't post here again, hopefully. Famine is right, bitching does little good. --Ж WHEEEEE! 03:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hrodulf, you are forgetting one thing. Google. This site (as well as Wikipedia and unfortunately Encyclopedia Dramatica) would come up in it. Because AS is still much maligned and not understood, the accountability level required by sites like this one is that much higher than it is for any other subject (as mentioned by Sir Cornbread). That`s why an interest group like those trying to get Aspies the proper respect we deserve has a much stronger case for objection than any other. If you want to laugh, this article isn`t a good source. I want to know how many people in here know of The Goon Show. Now there is humour for you!

Crazywordsman, that comment demonstrates the very lack of accountability that concerns me.

Spang, that`s an appalling attitude to take. There is an exception to every rule. Taking one rule is the highest form of discrimination of the lot. 69.46.23.138 06:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

To 69.46.23.138

Anyone who found this place on Google by typing in "Aspergers," and who took the uncyclopedia article as a serious commentary on Aspergers' disorder, is as clueless as the reporters who took the Onion news story about Congress demanding a bigger capitol building with a retractable roof or else they would move to another state as literal, and reported it as real news. I'm afraid you're missing that your position would, taken to its logical conclusion, lead to the destruction of Uncyclopedia.

Aspergers' isn't the only sensitive topic dealt with here. We have articles on the Holocaust(which treats it as a mathematical scenario), Tourette's Syndrome, Niggerlodeon, Nigger, I could list dozens, but that wouldn't accomplish anything. What I am trying to get across is that Uncyclopedia is humor, misinformation and lies. Holding us responsible because someone mistakes us for wikipedia and takes an article here as factually correct is a direct attack on what we do here. We aren't responsible to educate the internet about Aspergers' sensitivity.

And as you may have noticed, I think the Aspergers' article is crap. If you want, you can take a crack at fixing it. That would be a lot more useful than wasting time in here saying you don't like it and think it's somehow a threat to Aspergers' awareness when it's just one site on the internet out of, what, several billion? I think your concern that this is somehow damaging to Aspergers' awareness is a little hypersensitive and somewhat ridiculous, to be completely and damningly honest and utterly lacking in any tact whatsover (since tact tends to get in the way of clear communication, and I'm taking pains to get across exactly what I think of all of this).

May I also respectfully suggest that this little rant is getting you a lot of attention, and perhaps this is what this is really all about? You have to ask yourself that question and look for the answer, I can't do it for you. Keep in mind that Statler & Waldorf hated the muppet show, but came to every performance because they loved to complain about how bad it was in their opinion. You're welcome to the role of flinging virtual vegetables at us, but you'd probably be better off trying to learn a little more about this place, broadening your perspective and realizing that it's not always about you.

Better now? Good. --Hrodulf 07:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

And as a codicil, I think the existence of Neurotypical syndrome pretty much makes your position even sillier; if we're saying being normal is a "disease" also I think it's pretty clear that our position on Aspergers' is just like our position on every other object, person, animal or idea in the universe: something to throw comedy darts at. As Sappho once wrote, if you are squeamish, do not look at what's washed up on shore. --Hrodulf 07:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to add yet another angle to this rather convoluted debate, would perhaps the best road to take be a partial rewrite? I'm entirely behind the idea that the best way to help people understand an issue and confront their prejudices regarding it is through humour, however this kind of ideal isn't entirely applicable to this page (for the aforementioned reasons)- there is a stand off between not wanting to offend people who perhaps wouldn't understand that we're joking and not wanting to make exceptions to our rule of making fun of absolutely everything (which in the end would just be a type of discrimination, don't you agree, um, "69.46.23.138"?) So, my proposal is just to make the page a lot more silly- at the moment what it seems (to me) to be making fun of is how intolerant and ignorant some people are regarding mental illnesses (although I understand that according to the autistic rights movement you shouldn't refer to it as an illness) and it is understandable that that kind of approach could engender some misunderstandings (especially with lines like "Asperger Syndrome itself seems little more than an attempt by irritatingly self-absorbed people to have carte blanche to treat fellow human beings like the stuff you might scrape off the bottom of a swine farmer's boots."), so would the best thing to do be having a page on asperger syndrome which is so overtly ridiculous that no-one is going to confuse it with a genuinely bigoted opinion? Just an idea. --Sir Jam 07:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

My personal opinion on the matter is that Aspergers' is a difference, not a disease, any more than being left-handed is a "disease," rather than merely a different way in which to be human. Not that this means much. If I get an idea, I will try to rewrite, but I'm not particularly inspired at the moment (my last unnews article about the Statute of Liberty sucked, for example . . . ) --Hrodulf 07:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Well put... I have to confess, I wish I knew more about Aspergers, especially given that 4 uncyc users have suddenly revealed themselves as aspies (I'm assuming it's okay to say that, even though it sounds rather like a derogatory term, since our anonymous friend seems to be saying it freely) on this forum. I can only suppose that, having had my dad (who is a psychiatrist) and "the curious incident of the dog in the night-time" as my main sources of information on this matter I assumed most aspies were rather more socially impaired than you apparently are- hence i'm now somewhat more inclined to refer to it as a difference rather than an illness (although, in the context of our society, I can still see the point of view that it is an affliction). --Sir Jam 08:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Different people suffer from different degrees of the syndrome, and some people, like me, have been able to learn to compensate for what the syndrome takes away by being more conscious than most people about empathy and how others perceive you, as well as such things as eye contact, conversation and interaction. Life experience is irreplacable as a learning tool, and after years of social stumbling and failure, the right ways to act eventually do get kind of beaten into you. It helps to know you have it; if you don't know you have it, it's very difficult to control because you don't look at what you're doing and how other people see what you're doing because you think everything's normal and you lack perspective. I'd like to think that I've progressed to the point where I'm fully capable of participating in normal society without any exceptional incidents, and so far I think that belief has been justified.

The narrator of "the curious incident of the dog in the night-time" was a more extreme case than most people I have met who have the disorder. Everyone's mileage varies with this sort of thing, and some people are worse off than others. We all have to try to learn to do the best we can and be more careful, perhaps, than is usual about what we do and say to avoid problems. --Hrodulf 08:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

To the anonymous poster:

Point #1: You claim that the article is mocking people with an mental condition', saying:

"The article is mocking in it`s nature." — "The Aspergers article here is mockery, not satire." — "We just don`t like getting laughed AT" — "what you are supporting is mocking something you don`t understand" — "careless humour and mockery"

My Response: I disagree with this assessment. When I read the article in question it seems clearly to be using Asperger's Syndrome as a vehicle to mock Hollywood celebrities. As I said above, I believe the joke is that the article pretends that anti-social behavior by celebrities is a result of a condition they cannot control, so as to highlight the fact that in reality they have no excuse for their behavior.

Point #2: You seem to claim that we have a special responsibility to Asperger's Syndrome sufferers because they are particularly sensitive, saying:

"Because AS is still much maligned and not understood, the accountability level required by sites like this one is that much higher than it is for any other subject" — "the ... lack of accountability ... concerns me" — "[Spang's belief that we should not give preferential treatment to possible offense taken by people with Asperger's Syndrome is ] an appalling attitude to take."

My Response: We are a humor site, not a progressive social activism site. We assume that people who come here understand the nature of the site, and that its content is light-hearted not serious, and that its intent is to amuse not offend. Those that do not understand this are welcome to find their entertainment elsewhere. To assume that a person cannot comprehend this and take responsibility for their own actions (including taking offense to something) is to treat them as a child, and I refuse to single out Aspies as a group to treat as children.

---Rev. Isra (talk) 08:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

HEAR, HEAR! People with Asperger Syndrome are not helpless animals incapable of controlling their actions/reactions. Treating them as such IS PSYCHOPHOBIA. "Oh God. You've got to be careful what you say about them. They're CRAZY and could go on a KILLING SPREE at the SLIGHTEST provocation!" THAT'S PSYCHOPHOBIA, not "respect," as you're pretending. A humorous article about AS at a parody wiki is not psychophobia, acting as though AS sufferers are all potential mass murderers is. Step back and realize what you're saying.--<<>> 00:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Sir Brad, you are a blithering idiot! It's HAPPENED! Port Arthur 1996! And the example Orion mentioned above, and I quote;

• There was another example of an Internet forum making fun of an AS sufferer and he asked where to get buckshot to shoot at people who vandalized his puckins(SIC) and they made fun of him and some told him where to buy the buckshoot and he shot a few people as a result.

A phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear. I have been completely rational. If I have any fear, it's of people like you lot who refuse to take this issue seriously and potentially jeopardise lives. You are all behaving like children, and you are supposed to be adults (I assume you are all adults!), with a decent amount of accountability. As I said, you are all suffering from psychophobia because you are hiding from the cold hard facts behind inappropriate and poorly disguised humour. And no regard for the potential consequences. You are the ones not being rational. I try to educate (in my own way) and so does Orion to an extent - and you refuse to raise your accountability levels because it spoils your fun. Well in this case, the fun stops because this is the wrong way to go about it. Just like the Danish cartoons mocking Allah. Careless, ill timed and therefore completely unacceptable. --Anonymous Slashy

The only unacceptable thing about that incident is that some people seem to think it's acceptable to commit murder over some cartoons, or a beauty contest, as occurred in Nigeria. I think the cartoons are offensive, but I think people have the right to be offensive. I am against slander laws, obscenity laws and all forms of censorship. If someone takes offense, they can be offended. They don't have the right to resort to violence, and I don't think they should be able to sue. This is becase, as a left leaning libertarian, I think I should be freer than this society believes I am. You apparently disagree. And guess what? My opinion is just as good as yours. --Hrodulf 09:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

My second contribution

Hrodulf, you are seriously misjudging the potential interpretation of this article by someone coming here via Google. I am talking about someone who has just been diagnosed, and is trying to do the right thing and find out as much about it as they can. Now - they come across this article. The automatic reaction is humiliation. Like Oh gosh I have this problem and everyone's going to make fun of me! It's all downhill from there! It's a reaction not of a stupid person, but of a person with no knowledge and trying to learn. Does that explain the situation better so you see that in this case humour is inappropriate and dangerous. As far as rewriting it is concerned - no I wont`t. Because it should not be made fun of until it is well known and understood. Also - Aspies are by nature hypersensitive (hence the poor ability to cope with destructive criticism). As for the suggestion that I`m an attention seeker - I am seeking attention for the disability as a whole. That`s not just about me. It`s about all Aspies - especially the ones who have the potential of following Martin Bryant's line, who whilst they may be in the minority (thank goodness) can still do a great deal of damage. Especially in a country like America where the gun controls that Australia has do not exist. Statler and Waldorf is a bad example of the way you were translating something. I`m all for satire. I`m against mockery. It`s you who needs to broaden your perspective instead of claiming that single rule that someone else did. As far as that last remark goes - I suggest the Google situation would counter that assertion very effectively. When an Aspie is seeking information in the early stages, taking in the wrong information is very easy to do. That is, how to recognise something that makes you squeamish.

Sir Jam is right about one thing - there is a stand off here. But making the article even sillier would defeat the purpose, and I go back again to Google. Why won`t anyone see the danger? This is what I was talking about (or rather arguing about) with Orion on his talk page.

And Hrodulf, being different is the whole point. This is all about understanding that difference which at the moment most of you don`t (except the genuine Aspies). And until you do, making fun of it is wrong. Because you don`t know what you`re dealing with. It was like the Danes and their cartoons mocking the Muslims - it was poorly researched and as a result provocational even to the moderates (the extremists don`t matter). It was also very poorly timed.

Isra, you HAVE to treat Aspies as children. Especially those who have just been diagnosed. For example, an Aspie who is physically 18 would only have the social age of a ten year old - if that (it varies from Aspie to Aspie depending on their upbringing and school experience). I was diagnosed when I was 32. At that time socially I would estimate I was probably something like 21 at the most. Now I`m not claiming to be treated like a child myself (heck no - since I was diagnosed a number of social issues have caught up with my physical age). But that`s beside the point. As far as that comment about going elsewhere is concerned - I also point you to the example about Google.

Now as far as that first comment goes, Isra, What has this got to do with Hollywood?

• Asperger Syndrome (pronounced ASS-burger SIN-drome) is a semi-voluntary behavioural disorder in the guise of a more serious and involuntary neurodevelopmental disability.

Now that is not on for a start. And that`s the first sentence of the whole page! It implies that the habits of Aspies are voluntary - which is consistent with a bully's usual line of Don`t use Aspergers as an excuse to be an idiot. That`s intolerant. Now if an Aspie fresh of a diagnosis was to read that it would confuse the dickens out of him or her. The rest of that would not help at all. And I go on....

• some of the insufferables started to repeat personal monologues in high pitched voices

That is a complete and absolute lie and should be completely removed by itself!

I don't know why, but I find it absolutely HILARIOUS that you've chosen to take particular offense at this line.--<<>> 16:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

See, that proves you don`t understand because you don`t even know what you`re laughing it! That`s even more dangerous! --Anonymous Slashy

• Whining was largely replaced by crying, stomping, pouting, shouting, temper tantrums, throwing objects, fire and brimstone, and the threat of litigation. Outbursts of uncontrollable aggression and violent manners were observed, as insufferables were informed that they had been part of a scientific observation

Here`s another example of intolerance - that is not noting why this happens. The reason is because the Aspie`s structure has been interfered with in some way. The way that is written insinuates it happens for no good reason, an attitude which follows on from the pyschophobia I was referring to earlier.

Under conclusions there is another part that should be completely deleted - causes. See the previous paragraph for why. Again - none of this has to do with Hollywood.

The whole thing is putting the Hollywood names into a box that they don`t belong in. And it`s a poor cover for the real intent - to make fun of Aspergers. Just when I am battling a government who doesn`t take it seriously, and I am not the only one fighting that battle either. And one more point - ADHD and Aspergers do NOT share the same concentration span. ADHD is worse because the poor concentration covers everything. With Aspergers the effect is nowhere near as general. 69.46.23.138 08:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to bother arguing the general uncyc viewpoint on this any more, since there are so many other users who could do it far more eloquently, but can i just point out that if there's one argument which is never going to work here it is pointing out factual inaccuracies in articles- look at the note on the front page: "the content-free encyclopedia". While i can sympathise with your argument, you're never going to persuade anyone around to your way of thinking by simply pointing out that we're not telling the truth... if you search the entire site and come up with more than one iota of truth i would be quite impressed. --Sir Jam 09:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

AnonIP, your google example is mere fantasy. I attempted searches on six variants of Asperger('s) [Syndrome] and clicked through as far as the first 500 results on each. Uncyclopedia's page was not among them, though ED's shows up between pages 19 and 25 depending on the search terms. As for treating Aspies like children, I don't buy it because my experience is that the Aspies I have known have no defiency in intelligence. And if I were to treat someone like a child, the result would be that I would kick them out of here, because this is not a site for children.

There is a defiency in social skills, which has to be treated in a similar way to low intelligence as a lack of social skills is seen by general society as low intelligence. I speak through experience. So if you doon`t buy that argument you don`t want to understand AS. As for Google - I don`t know what you did wrong, but Uncyclopedia came up for me on about page 8 or 9. And you're right about this site not being for children. But it's not the children that are the potential problem, as they get all the help they need. Unlike adult Aspies. 65.254.224.36 11:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

On point two, read the phrases you excerpted again. Now think about famous actors who throw fits. Starting to make sense now? Starting to understand why monologues are even mentioned? Starting to understand why press agents are mentioned? Starting to understand why it states with irony that the conditions of the syndrome are voluntary?

Don`t patronise me and worse don`t try and create something just to ignore what I`m saying. Whether or not what you say is true is moot. The fact remains that there is more than one interpretation, and the sooner you stop preaching your own and start paying attention to mine and that of every other Aspie the better YOU will understand. 65.254.224.36 11:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

If you really can't get that this page is funny and doesn't mock Aspies, you'll have to take our word for it. Or else take the word of some poster I found when performing the only google search that does turn up our page (searching for "uncyclopedia asperger syndrome"). That poster says: "It's called satire! The symptoms they describe are not AS symptoms, but NT 'traits'. They just pathologize them to make a point. They´re one our side." [1]

---Rev. Isra (talk) 11:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I know that forum and there are a number of users who are on the verge of being thrown out for careless comments like this one. I know this because the admin is a member of another Aspie forum that I am also a member of and it's getting an airing there as well. I'd link to it but you have to be a member and in a certain group to be able to see it. Aside from the fact that the interpretation is wrong anyway. And Uncyclopedia is definitely NOT on our side, because if it was this article would be deleted! 65.254.224.36 11:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

That interpretation is wrong, eh? So, the author of the article, the admins of this site, the requent readers of this site, and the only person in that forum who actualy commented about the article: they are all wrong. You, an anonymous IP who has behaved badly, vandalized the site, threatened our users, and vowed to shut down the site by 2007: you are correct. Hmmm. Wait, no! It's just the opposite. We're not going to codle you here. Grow a sense of humor or get the fuck out. ---Rev. Isra (talk) 20:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

And now the foul language comes out. You don't have a sense of humour so don't tell me to grow one. When one drops to foul language one has lost the fight. Yes they are all wrong - because of the lack of understanding. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's a new one. An Aspergers' extremist. "Don't put anything on the internet anywhere that might be interpreted as disrespectful to Aspergers' someone might get hurt. Oh, and take down Holocaust, Niggerlodeon and Nigger also. What if a Holocaust survivor or a person of color was looking up the holocaust or the n-word on google and ended up here and had their feelings hurt."

By this logic, Uncyclopedia will finally be "dolphin safe" when there are no articles left. You're entitled to your opinion that the article is offensive and should be removed. However, as I've said several times before, we aren't going to delete it. If you want to change it, write a better article. We're not going to delete the topic because if we do it for you, we have to do it for everybody. And then we don't have a comedy site.

I'm personally completely disgusted by your victim mentality. Grow some skin over those exposed nerves. If you can't handle that a comedy website has an article about AS you don't like, it's incredible to me that you're capable of dealing with day to day life involving people not related to you on any level. Maybe someday you'll be in a place where you've developed to a point where you understand what I'm trying to get across about all of this. Clearly, you're not there yet. --Hrodulf 14:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

In fact I do have spasmodic problems with day to day life - all the more reason why people like you should just back off and think about what you're playing around with. You're the one who has a long way to go when it comes to understanding Aspergers. You MUST pay attention to it - out of tolerance if anything else. When one doesn't pay attention, that's when the problems start. And who's fault is that? Not us Aspies. We can't help being an Aspie - it's genetic. You CAN help being tolerant. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it occurs to me that all we need to do to rewrite the article is take your posts, annotate them to point out your delusional perspective on this situation, and make the article out of that. The inability to distinguish between a joke and an attack, the making of something that isn't personal personal, hypersensitivity to what's arguably a mild bit of prose, if even that, not to mention the total refusal to see the broader picture and realize that what you're essentially asking us to do is shut the site down, are all on display in full regalia. Maybe to you, avoiding offending one AS individual is worth shutting Uncyclopedia down for. What you're failing to grasp, again, is that good comedy is never "safe." Someone will always be offended. Bill Cosby made a joke once that he had trouble with pumpernickel in dark restaurants, because sometimes, he'd accidentally butter his hand. Offensive? Yes. Also arguably hilarious. We're not going to AS-safe Uncyclopedia and render a topic off limits because it may offend someone. While the present article is no good, this is a matter of principle. In addition, as you may have noticed, the site has a discernable percentage of active users who have AS who have no problem with any of this. This isn't about Aspergers'. It's about you. And if you don't think I've been fair or whatever, I don't think it's fair for you to come into the site and demand the removal of an article when it's been noted several times that you're free to improve it. As long as it's as funny or funnier, we won't care what you do to it. Since you're apparently unwilling and/or unable to do that, the article will stand as it until further notice. And that's final. --Hrodulf 14:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

See it's this sort of attitude that creates trouble instead of preventing it. Lack of accountability. That leads to the very hypersensitivity you are complaining about - because YOU create it. And people like you. Bill Cosby is a bad example in this case because he made fun of himself. And he got away with it because he understands the subject matter. You do not. Big difference. And a note - the article is locked, so even if I wanted to change it, I can't. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It's locked because you vandalized it. Not our problem. And in case you hadn't noticed, there's at least a few Aspie users here who are regular contributors. So much for your argument that this site isn't aspies making fun of themselves.--Hrodulf 15:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually I thought about making an article called Anonymous Slashy because this user has a problem with slashes in his/her browser that turns single quotes into slash single quotes. Then after reading their comments, I decided not to because it might set them off into some sort of rampage like they described an Aspie would do. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 16:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

That's actually a good idea, Orion. Just as long as you concentrate on why it happens rather than who does it (unless you generalise that instead of being specific to AS as an example). 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Some PHP and CGI based proxies do that to text for whatever reason. --User:Nintendorulez 19:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You aren't going to find this article on a google search. Uncyc and Google have a bit of an issue. It won't be within the first... several million... results. --User:Nintendorulez 19:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

My 2 Cents (CDN)

I have nothing substantial to add to the persuasive arguments that favour keeping the article, and other similarly satirical and controversial ones. I just wanted to throw in a few things.
First, I don't mind if you delete it. I've had a number of things NRV'd during my time here (usually mid-write), and this article has been VFD'd (unsuccessfully) before. Having already argued to keep it then, and having tried to explain it on its talk page, I have nothing left to give. What frustrates me is the amount of complaining, with no real effort to fix it. If it isn't funny, re-write it. Find some other satirical angle that works, and run with it. Or delete it, and redirect to Assburger's syndrome.
Second, the fact that I wrote much of this article (up to the 'related illnesses' section) shouldn't affect people's judgment about it. I acknowledge that not everything I write is quality. In fact, only about 1 in 7 of the articles I've ever written for Uncyclopedia were featured (i.e. I have about 57 mediocre articles taking up space here, and 10 "good" ones). This one is in the class of "57", and it either stands on its own, or it doesn't. Grade it as you will, but leave me out of the equation. ~ T. (talk) 10:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I second the re-direct to Assburger's syndrome. that way, you get the best of both worlds: a comedy gold nickname, and a comedic article. Genius! --no, yuo chat 11:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The article is just fine as it is, the Spielberg/Baldwin dialogue is one of my favourite sections on Uncyclopedia and still makes me laugh. If someone takes offence at the article, they do have another course of action that they can take. There's a small box with an X in it in the top right corner of the screen. Just click that. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Too late, Mhaille. Once the article is seen, the damage is done. Clicking on the X is like locking the gate after the horse is bolted. It won't fix the problem. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

In that case the problem must be related to lead deficiency....about two inches worth injected at high velocity into the frontal lobes should resolve the issue once and for all. -- Your caring, sharing Admins

Now here's another example of cowardice - and the worst sort. Actually suggesting a person commit suicide!! I'm trying not to swear here to retain my credibility level, but you, Mhaille, are disgusting!! That sort of vindictive BS belongs on Encyclopedia Dramatica! --Anonymous Slashy

No, YOU have interpreted it as a suggestion of suicide. It was nothing of the sort, I was actually suggesting that trained professionals administer the injection. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

At a guess, swimming is not suggested after such a treatment? -- Soul101 ~_MA^REPENT! 13:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not speaking for anyone else here, but as you can see, your comments have led to a lot of overheated reactions. I'm sure nobody actually wants you to commit suicide, but you seem to be so selfish you don't understand that as offended as you are by the Asperger's article, we're equally if not more offended by you trying to tell us what we can and can't say here. So if I can just say that while you have been at the receiving end of a lot of hurtful comments, you brought it on yourself by coming in here with your holier than thou attitude and arrogant belief that you can intimidate us by threating to sue us, vandalize our site, etc. Coming in here with that agenda and expecting not to be insulted strongly is like sticking your hand into a wasp's nest and expecting not to be stung. --Hrodulf 09:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, re-reading both, they are both good. ignore the above. Unless you swap them over of course. give complainers soemthing different to complain about. --no, yuo chat 15:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Could we maybe rename the article to Celebrity Syndrome instead of Asperger Syndrome? Then redirect to Celebrity Syndrome? That way it won't show up on Google for Aspies to stumble over, and it would still be funny. Then add in a template saying that for the "humor impared" like Celebrities, this article is a joke. Just my two cents. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 16:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Now this is actually a good idea! Just as long as all the references to Aspergers directly are kept to a minimum (and it should be linked to the Wikipedia article if it has to be linked to anywhere). Like for example a celebrity using it as an excuse when he is in fact making us Aspies look bad - if you get my drift there. Making fun of a celeb's lack of accountability (and there's plenty of that) would work! 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If it were the case that this page showed up on google, moving the page and redirecting would not solve the problem. But....! Someone show me what possible search terms are going to bring up this article in the first 10 pages! I've tried to find one, and failed. ---Rev. Isra (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As noted below, try adding a celebrity name (as a lot of freshly DXed Aspies do), in particular the ones that are mentioned in this article. Bill Gates for example. Also try Albert Enstein, Doctor Who and Martin Bryant. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You could change all instances of Asperger to Celebrity, so that a search for Asperger Syndrome does not come up 500,001st on the list on Google found at Uncyclopedia or whatever the Anonymous Slashy did to find it. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 20:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok I found this Asperger Syndrome Fred Flintsone to see if the character of Fred Flintstone may have had Asperger Syndrome and Uncyclopedia tops the list. Asperger Alec Baldwin has the Uncyclopedia page in the top of the results, not the top but the eighth result or so. To see if Alec Baldwin has the syndrome. There may be other searches, but we don't know the key words these Aspies are using to find the Uncyclopedia page. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 20:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

How can we be expected to teach children to learn how to read... if they can't even fit inside the building? 20:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Huh???? 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

My Closing Remarks

I would just like to finish this whole thing off by saying that I still can't see how the article is particularly insulting towards aspies. I might just be a hopeless asshole, unable to empathize or see past my own ego (probable), but in no possible way can I see this as being offensive. You said this was mockery not satire. I think this is exactly satire. Granted, this is a basically subjective distinction, but I think it's evident. The point of the article clearly is not to insult people suffering from a severe problem, it's to make a humorous comparison between some aspects of the disorder and behavior that is superficially similar to it. Plus, even if it offends people, that still isn't a good enough reason to delete it, I don't think. The end. --Sir ENeGMA (talk) GUN WotM PLS 22:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It is NOT satire. You don't know the difference between satire and mockery so don't even try. You admitted it yourself - your judgment was subjective. Whilst the point of the article isn't to insult (and I'll take that on face value) it definitely does insult Aspies. Any person in here weho has commented and claims to be an Aspie in my view is not. I have been formally diagnosed by a properly qualified psychologist. How many self confessed Aspies in here can claim that? Aside from me - none I'm willing to bet. It's an insult, plain and simple. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Even if it were 'mockery' and 'insulting' (not saying it is), I still wouldn't care, if it were funny. And it is. SO that's it. --Sir ENeGMA (talk) GUN WotM PLS 18:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Well start caring, if you are a responsible adult. --Anonymous Slashy

This site is where I come to get away from people like you who want to control me, boss me around, tell me what to do, and generally make my life miserable. As you've noticed, I've been 100% against everything you've said here. That's because this site is one of the few things in life that I have a modicum of control and freedom over, and like I said before, you're not going to take it away. Not from me. Not from anybody else here. This isn't about the article or Aspergers'. It's about you trying to control and intimidate us. And it's not going to happen. I do care. Deeply. About uncyclopedia and it not becoming censored by every vandal anon who comes along with a bone to pick and a jacked-up story about how they're "fighting for the greater good of humanity." You remind me of nothing more than the Westboro Bapist Church extremists, with their obnoxious tasteless publicity stunts and spewing of doctrine so offensive it parses like stand up comedy to me. You aren't going to win, because I will fight you every step of the way and make sure that you don't accomplish one thing here in terms of taking any subject out of circulation. And that's a promise.--Hrodulf 09:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Your judgement is subjective too. So there. --User:Nintendorulez 19:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

My Final Thoughts

I would be willing to keep the Asperger Syndrome article only if some anti-Semitic humor is added. -- » Sir Savethemooses Grand Commanding Officer ... holla atcha boy» 23:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

We've already go a page on Jews, I think that's the best place for it. --User:Nintendorulez 23:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I would be willing to ban the person who started this thread. When a bitchy IP complains about and vandalises an article, the proper response isn't a stupid-ass forum post. If it's a shitty article, submit to VFD. If not, quit yer bitchin. It gets my bander all up in a fright. Or something like that. Sir Famine, Gun ♣ Petition » 24/10 02:21

P.S. Asperger's Syndrome is a laughing matter. As are genocide, irrational bans, and torture. Perhaps you were looking for Wikipedia.

It was after that box was put up, too. I support your proposal to ban this person, and I also support turning this topic into an Uncyclopedia is the Worst type thing. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 02:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Sick, perverted, and completely lacking a real and proper sense of humour. This site is supposed to be humourous. And responses like this and knowing they existed is the very reason (along with the locking of the article and the talk page) that I did not submit it to VFD. As discussed with Orion on his talk page. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The user was banned, repeatedly. It appears that this thread was started as an attempt to reason with the user so we didn't have to keep banning his/her endless supplies of IPs. But since reasoning with him/her hasn't succeeded, and since it appears it cannot, we should probably just feature the article. ---Rev. Isra (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I started this forum topic because the anonymous user kept posting on Todd Lyon's talk page and my talk pages and seemed to have an unlimited number of IP proxies and library computers. Because of that, every IP of his/her that gets banned, they can get four more to use off of the Internet. Trying to ban all Proxy and library IPs is unpossible. I thought if I started this forum topic, to continue the anonymous user's thread here, that others could figure out something to do about it. Yes Todd banned the user countless times, and each time he/she comes back with a new IP proxy. What do you do when banning won't work? I tried my best to reason with the person, and when that failed, I made the forum topic here to see if the issue could be settled in some way. He/she posted so much on my talk page that I had to archive it, because Firefox and IE with Google Toolbar cuts the text of the talk page when someone tries to edit it. I mean the anonymous user was talking about Aspies going on a shooting rampage, and shutting down Uncyclopedia, and admitted to having a history of violence over jokes and mockery of Asperger Syndrome, and threatened to use countless IPs to vandalize and blank articles here. I thought if I reasoned it out with him/her, and later brought it to others' attentions, that maybe we could work something out if I presented his/her argument in the forum and continued his/her topic off of the talk pages, and into a group session because Uncyclopedia is a community and I thought it best to get others involved before something bad happened. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 03:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Orion, your behavior in this whole thing has been without fault. It was very noble of you to try to create some sort of mutually beneficial resolution. It may seem like this has become a mess, but it was worth a try, so let me thank you for trying. ---Rev. Isra (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It wasn`t his fault that this whole thing went pear shaped. But I expected it. 74.52.65.131 10:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I tried to find a way to settle this and find alternatives to his/her blanking pages and vandalizing them. When I could not do it anyone alone, I posted his/her views in the forum here, because he/she wouldn't do that. I tried to take some responsibility and show that some on Uncyclopedia take such matters seriously and that we care, even about those who vandalize and blank pages. This person claimed to have had his/her freedom of speech taken away, and I wanted to give him/her a chance to speak their mind to show that we do not take away the freedom of speech at Uncyclopedia. I only wish we could have settled this in some way. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 14:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I did say this thing wouldn't help, you tried to call my bluff. I have been proven correct. But Orion, there is a way to settle this. You made a suggestion above, which I agreed to. Do that, and the problem will be resolved. --Anonymous Slashy

I called your bluff that you would be reasonable and use logic and not get all negative about it. If you did those three things, we might have settled this issue. If you notice early on, a few people were ready to talk about using VFD or renaming the article, until you did your emotional rampage on them. Yet 90% of the jokes they use on this page are directed at you and not Asperger Syndrome, and you claimed that everyone would mock Asperger Syndrome some more and not take it seriously. It is you who they don't take seriously, and most of the people here do agree that Asperger Syndrome should be taken seriously. That most Aspies are good people, with few exceptions like you who act like some sort of troll or asshole and use your syndrome as an excuse to manipulate and attack other people with. If you didn't go all Mel Gibson or Jack Nicholson on the people here, maybe the Asperger Syndrome would have been renamed or moved to VFD, but no, you just had to go on that emotional rampage, and now things are a lot worse than they had been before you blanked and vandalized the article. Plus I asked you to make an apology and promise to follow the rules here, and you did not. I cannot argue the case for you anymore, you haven't given me anything to work with but a lot of negativity. I hope we can still find some reasonable solution, but at this point I think it is hopeless. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 20:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Whining

Whoever put that picture at the top here (and I removed it) needs to go and get some tolerance. I am not whining - I am making a very important point in order to assist this website to see the error of it's ways with this article. Now the IP I am using on this occasion is not a proxy. It's a library computer. Now I admit after the initial banning the week before last I reacted with my gut - but I stand provoked. I have tried to be reasonable and civil throughout this forum discussion, only to get dissed in the very same way I told Orion the VFD would go if I submitted it (which is another reason why I didn't waste my time going down that path).

Fact - Aspergers Syndrome and the understanding of the condition has a long way to go. A lot further than the understanding of any other subject that has been mentioned in here as the subjest of an Uncyclopedia article. The right to mock can only be claimed reasonably with understanding. Right throughout this forum (except for Orion who has at least tried) there has been complete contempt for this reasonable and hardly delusional position I am holding on behalf of all genuine adult Aspies. I have tried to explain the position the best I can, and it's not my fault that most of the contributors here are unwilling to understand and accept the situation that exists - both potentially and actually. You lot are doing nothing to expand that understanding. You are doing the opposite. And that can only lead to trouble for all of us. 203.17.215.98 03:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

And Lyons - don't you even think about reverting this again! 74.52.65.131 10:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The {{whining}} hat fits this discussion well. it is a long, continuous, unabating, complaint about one out of around 19550 articles. I've put it back.

The argument that - if you don't understand, you can't mock - bears no water. I didn't know anything about Togo when I wrote it, except that it is some african country. Latching onto the pre-conceptions most people have and expanding or extrapolating them makes articles funny. There are countless other examples. I think Asperger Syndrome is funny, and I know fuck all about it. --no, yuo chat 12:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think AS is funny - walk in my shoes for 24 hours. Then try and laugh. I'm willing to money on this....you won't. Because you'll see just how stupid your comment above is. Country's are not medical conditions - that's a ridiculous comparison. NEVER EVER mock a medical condition that you don't understand. It's one of the heights of cowardice. 74.52.65.131 12:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

So it would be alright if an "Aspie" contributed to the article? -- Mitch 12:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

A clarification. I think the article Asperger Syndrome is funny. not the actual thing. ps. Countries are medical conditions, have you never heard of the British Empire? Now that was a plague. --no, yuo chat 12:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Pffft! If we're going to talk about countries being plagues, I'd nominate the United States of America ahead of the British Empire! But we're getting away from the subject so I'll leave that be. 74.52.65.131 14:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I think you're on to something here. The United States is extremely unpopular at the moment because its government insists on its self-righteous worldview, refusing to budge regardless of the evidence presented against their worldview, using any means necessary to further their cause, refusing to admit mistakes made in achieving their goals, a arrogant, combative stance toward neutrals, and putting on blinders to everyone else's point of view. You, slashy, have provided a TERRIFIC satire of the United States government in this forum.--<<>> 16:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to try and address your previous post one point at a time:

1. Yes, you are whining. perhaps whining implies a certain tone of voice to you, but ultimately you are selfishly complaining about something at length, despite having been told that it's not going to change. Leave this site. Post warnings on your forums, blogs, newspapers etc. about this site. but you're yelling at deaf people as far as this issue is concerned.

• I am not selfish. I am complaining on behalf of ALL genuine Aspies - and their parents. It IS going to change, because it has to. And no amount of warnings on other places is going to stop the problem. And wilful deafness is another trait of a coward.

"You're all cowards!" once against screams the man who won't even give us an invented internet alias to call him.--<<>> 14:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It's no different to just using an IP so why should I? --Anonymous Slashy

Don't use the word genuine. No one on here who is not a genuine aspie has claimed to be so, and some who have claimed to be aspie have disagreed with you, hence you do not represent ALL. Your assumption that they are not genuine is foolish.

I have already debunked those who have falsely claimed to be Aspies and backed it up with proof. --Anonymous Slashy

I'm diagnosed AS. Are you a psychologist, that you are capable of diagnosing who has AS or not? Over the internet even? Are you even aware of how crazy what you're saying is? I have a mild form of it but I do occasionally have a symptom. For example, when I created Forum:Kitting Huffing is no laughing matter to make fun of you, in response to someone flaming me as a joke, because of my AS, I thought they were serious and asked them if they realized the post was a joke. So yes, I have it. I'm not proud of it and it causes me occasional problems, but I'm not a severe case. Apparently, not as severe as you, anyway. --Hrodulf 09:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

On behalf of ALL Aspies? Erm, no. You are not the spokesman for Asperger's Syndrome. I have both Asperger's and ADHD. But I know when to take a joke, and I don't see a need to sugarcoat every little thing to avoid offending people If we took down Asperger's Syndrome, we'd have to take down Niggers Holocaust, and almost every article on this site. This site mocks EVERYONE, not just Asperger's. I'd rather not see Asperger's get excluded from humor. --User:Nintendorulez 20:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

1. This "error of our ways" as you would have it labelled is not isolated to AS, and in fact is quite mild in comparison to most (if not all) others. I would like to put forward, however, that this is not "the error of our ways," but simply "our ways." In other words, it is the way this site operates, hence not an error, but in fact quite correct.

• No it is not. This site is a parody of Wikipedia. A satire. This article is neither. I have made a number of suggestions - or rather approved a couple of suggestions by Orion to fix the problem at hand.

What would you suggest then? should we parody the wiki article on AS? it seems to promote awareness, is thoroughly factual, and centres around the actual syndrome, so we could parody it by being unfactual, try to promote apathy, and centre it around something else completely. But that would be a bad idea...

See above in a post from Orion. --Anonymous Slashy

1. reasonable implies "able to be reasoned with," and you have been anything but reasonable. You have been beating the same door down over and over and over, and refusing to accept that you've taken the wrong end of the stick.

• Of course I refuse to accept that - because it is just plain WRONG! You lot don't understand what you're dealing with so of course the minute some understanding comes around, you don't want to know just because the reality check spoiled your cheap shots at a disorder which is still struggling to be accepted in the community.

Reality check- uncyc is not reality. you have spoiled nothing that you have attempted to spoil. and again, the article is not about "making cheap shots at aspies," it's about making "cheap shots at celebrities."

Then reword the article and put Aspergers where it belongs - off to the side. The alteration Orion suggested would do the job very well. --Anonymous Slashy

1. Fact- if you had actually read what everyone has been saying, you wouldn't bother using Facts in your argument.

• Fact - I read every word, and there wasn't a fact amongst most of it!

Once again, nobody cares about facts.

As said above, start caring - if you are a responsible adult. --Anonymous Slashy

1. understanding has nothing to do with it. Do you think the writers of Christian, Jesus (and it's offshoots), Catholicism, and etc. really understand christianity? As a christian, I know they don't, and I know they're not attempting to. But that has nothing to do with the price of repentanceeggs. This place is not about developing awareness, improving education, and so on. And it makes no attempts to say otherwise (and plenty of attempts to say so).

• EVERY website plays a part in awareness, education and so on. No exceptions. All this site is provide simpletons with an unaccountable outlet. I can't comment on religion because I'm an athiest so I avoid the subject. I sure as heck don't laugh at it that's for sure. I respect it. I expect the same respect for Aspergers, and this article doesn't give it.

Then shut the internet down! this article is not about offending AS sufferers. It's about Celebrity tantrums. I respect and enjoy the company of my friend who has asperges. This is a parody website. I don't link it with my actual beliefs/reactions around the syndrome. And that's the way it should be.

Well this article does link the disability to all the wrong ideals (I don`t know what your personal opinion is and I don`t want to because it`s irrelevant to the matter in hand) which is why at best it needs to be completely redone. --Anonymous Slashy

1. On that note, based on your argument, I would have reason to have a huge network of pages, templates, in-jokes, users and the like huffed. As would anyone else who is christian, jew, german, black, feline, dyslexic, republican, liberal, dutch, american, and the list goes on... This I feel is something that has been said a lot in the above argument, but you seem to be of the opinion that yours is somehow "worse off" or "more important" than the others, based simply on the fact that little is known about it in general. This is a false argument.

• It is NOT a false argument! It's perfectly valid! Do you WANT to see what I mean when I make that point? Surely you're not so dumb as to not see the point I am making? Everything you nominated is taught - in some form - at most schools. Is Aspergers? No! I'm not saying it should, but that's the difference!

1. By genuine aspies, I assume you are implying those aspies who agree with you (i.e. not the others who have posted here), and including those who would go on shooting rampages based on this site? That is hardly fair, and who are you to define what a "genuine adult aspie" is? Asperges ranges in severity, and getting the joke does not neccessarily imply mild.

• The definition - as proven in here - is very simple. The ability (or lack thereof) to cope with criticism. That includes mockery. That is inherent in ALL Aspies. I am yet to see a properly diagnosed Aspie who doesn't have an aversion to some level of criticism, and I won't because it's a key factor to the diagnosis. Therefore, anyone who sees this article and is a genuine Aspie will be offended by it. What may differ is the reaction - whether it be the initial gut reaction from me (changing it and preaching my case both forcefully, and reasonably where I was able to), suicide, or indeed getting a gun out. Amongst a number of other reactions that would number too many to nominate here. That's where the variation in severity exists.

Would someone please write true aspie for me? Please? That has potential fors comic gold.--<<>> 15:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Just make it a redirect to this forum discussion, Brad. Better than anything we could ever write. --Hrodulf 16:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Done.--<<>> 16:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You are idiots. Now you are making a personal attack on me. Still claiming to be funny? I`m not laughing - and that fact will be added to the legal folder. --Anonymous Slashy

1. I have already addressed the idea of using this site to further your ends of awareness and understanding about AS. Regardless of the nobility and uprightness of your position, this is not the place for it. Go and picket outside parliament, or become an occupational therapist. Don't waste your time and ours on this site.

• I am not wasting my time. I am not going to stop until this article is at the very least altered as suggested by Orion above (and I think drew some support from others aside from me). Failing that, it will be deleted. Even if it takes a court order - and I'll do that if need be.

Talk to Wikia first before you talk about bringing lawyers into this. It's pretty obvious to me you'll be laughed out of the courtroom, so I don't see the point in wasting your money on something like that.--<<>> 15:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Threatening us with a frivolous lawsuit shows how delusional you are. Ever hear of the first amendment? A court ruling in your favor would amount to government censorship, which is unconstitutional:

• "The safeguarding of these rights to the ends that men may speak as they think on matters vital to them and that falsehoods may be exposed through the processes of education and discussion is essential to free government. Those who won our independence had confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning and communication of ideas to discover and spread political and economic truth. Noxious doctrines in those fields may be refuted and their evil averted by the courageous exercise of the right of free discussion. Abridgment of freedom of speech and of the press, however, impairs those opportunities for public education that are essential to effective exercise of the power of correcting error through the processes of popular government."

Thornhill v. State of Alabama, 310 U.S. 88, 60 S.Ct. 736 (1940).

There goes your lawsuit, I guess. --Hrodulf 15:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

No it doesn't! You are assuming this would be heard under US law. Sorry - it won't. It will be heard under the law of the country the plaintiff (myself) viewed it in. Therefore the local law applies. And in my country - the first amendment is not a legal defence. There is discrimination law that supersedes such a claim. There goes your defence, Hrodulf! --Anonymous Slashy

Then, as our fearless leader W said, bring it on. I'm a lawyer. And I'm not afraid of you in the slightest. And, for what it's worth, what is going on here is not discrimination. What is going on here is you're asking for special treatment, and not getting it. That is not discrimination. You are being treated exactly the same as anyone else. --Hrodulf 09:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it'd be based on the country Wikia's servers are located in. US? England? One of the two, I think... It's not like another country would have the authority to go and shut down web servers outside their borders. --User:Nintendorulez 20:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• nuff said...

The pesky thing about the law is you never know with the internet. In this era of universal jurisdiction for so many offenses, it's probably just a matter of time before someone in England could theoretically sue us for offending them. I'm not necessarily in support of that, and in fact favor the repeal of slander and libel laws, but there is a definite political trend towards more laws, and less freedom, and it's a real problem. --Hrodulf 22:04, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

1. This is not a personal attack against people with AS, and I assure you that any victimisation you have incurred would not have come about if you had not acted like a n00b in the first place (which you have not apologised for), and were able to look past/ignore/not care about this, like the rest of us with specific circumstances do.

• The article IS a personal attack on everyone with Aspergers. It's an insult. Pure and simple.

it is not directed at aspies. get over it.

In it's present form, yes it is. And never ever use those three words in my presence. --Anonymous Slashy

1. Lastly, please don't hide behind the facade of "only doing this for the ignorant aspies who may feel wronged by it." admit it: YOU feel wronged, and (as repeatedly demonstrated), there is very little chance that anyone on a fact-hunt is going to come across/take seriously/both this site. seriously. -- Soul101 ~_MA^REPENT! 13:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Ahem! I have now received a number of emails and PM's on an Aspie forum agreeing with me. I just had to shoot off a reply to a PM to tell a person to hold off and leave matters to me - because he was going to come in here and blank the whole site! And I know he has a proxy generating program on his computer (which even I don't have). This article is causing quite a stir over there - so I am not alone in this. I'm just the only one at the coal face.

You do realize that a massive Aspie attack on Uncyclopedia would be more grist for the Aspie-humor mill, don't you? We would make an article called "The Great Aspie/Uncyclopedia War of 2006" and detail all the battles, and photoshop pictures of tanks with pictures of other tanks on their side. Ask yourself: is that something you really want to happen? --Hrodulf 15:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me - read what I said again. I headed off that threat! So be grateful! --Anonymous Slashy

That reminds of a line from "Bonfire of the Vanities" an Al Sharpton type character warns to a wimpy prosecutors' assistant that if he fails to bring the maximum charges against a white man who accidentally hit a black teen with his car that his people's anger will rise to a boiling point and when that happens, "I am the one nigger who can keep your lilly-white ass from bein' burrrrrned of the face of the earth!...so to speak." --Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 02:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

One more thing

I have not lost. The battle is far from over. And the sooner you lot realise this the better. I am fighting the good fight, and no ISP (especially my own) will deny me the right to pursue the good fight. 74.52.65.131 14:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

(Imperial march plays in the background) --Sir Jam 08:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You lose because you've failed to realize that winning is impossible. If you think we're going to let one self-rightous anon with an obnoxious opinion tell us what we can and can't do here, you're wrong. Period. Erase my {{whining}} tag again, anon, we're all laughing at you. Still think you're winning? --Hrodulf 14:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It's who wins in the end that counts - and that winner will be me. --Anonymous Slashy

What would be the prize if you won? What if there are no winners in this war? --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm waiting for the "proxy generating program" to kick in and blank the whole site, should be amusing when he gets banned :-)--The Right Honourable Maj Sir Elvis UmP KUN FIC MDA VFH Bur. CM and bars UGM F@H (Petition) 14:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Won't happen - see above, lame brain! --Anonymous Slashy

JUst wondering out loud (well here anyway) wether this could become Uncyclopedia's own "Sue you in a court of law!!!!" ;-)--The Right Honourable Maj Sir Elvis UmP KUN FIC MDA VFH Bur. CM and bars UGM F@H (Petition) 14:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

My old employer Dewey Cheatham and Howe can take the case for Anonymous Slashy. Maybe Uncyclopedia can get Mattlock or Perry Mason to help defend us. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

If we give in to this guy/girl, what do we do when someone comes along and demands we take down niggerlodeon? We can't let ourselves be bullied by people with an agenda. He/she is trying to make this issue about Aspergers' and the real issue is censorship: he/she is trying to force his/her opinion on us, and that's wrong. We have the right to comment in a humorous fashion on whatever we want and if someone has a problem with that, it's their problem, not ours. --Hrodulf 14:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be much better if we just said: YHBT YHL HAND to anyone who has these issues? Because, well, this whole site is just one massive Troll really, when it comes down to it. (isn't it?)--no, yuo chat 14:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The point isn't trolling, the point is freedom. Which is a rare commodity in the world right now, and I'm not going to let the tiny shred of it that I have on uncyclopedia be stolen by this anon. --Hrodulf 15:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

So you claim the right to abuse that freedom? Bravo! Ladies and gentlemen - in Hrodulf we have a Jerry Falwell in the making. Or worse a George W Bush! --Anonymous Slashy

Oh the horrors, I couldn't stand it if the world had two Jerry Falwells or two George W. Bushes. Then again, I know Hrodulf is not quite that bad, Hrodulf might actually be another Pat Robertson or John McCain, then again he might actually be another Mel Gibson or Bill O'Reilly as well. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 02:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Now look who's calling people names. Nice. Anyway, what you consider abuse, yes, I consider freedom. I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and you're not going to convince me. And what's definately not going to happen is me allowing you to impose your opinion on me. I don't have to take that here. I have to take it at work, I have to take it at home, and most other places in real life. I don't have to take it here, and I don't take it here. And I sure don't take it from the likes of you. --Hrodulf 09:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Our stand

Slashy, a self-righteous attitude will get you NOWHERE around here. Until you start treating US with some respect, we won't change ONE THING about that article.--<<>> 15:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

How can I respect people who won`t respect Aspergers? Answer me that. I have been taught to treat people the way they treat me. You`ve brought this all on yourselves by being so careless and disrespectful. Don`t demand respect until you give it first. A good way to start would be to reword the article. --Anonymous Slashy

I'll never respect a power-hungry invader like you who thinks he/she can terrorize us into accepting the yoke of obedience you think you can put around our necks. All Brad was trying to say is that if you'd followed the golden rule, maybe all of this wouldn't be happening. We might even have been more receptive to changing the article. But now we're all just having too much fun watching you have an ongoing aspie meltdown, while making the article even more offensive to watch what happens. You're the best live entertainment we've had here since BENSON. Thanks! --Hrodulf 09:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There are people with Asperger's I have a lot of respect for. Just not you! BWAHAHAHA! --Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 03:00, 25 October 2006

If anything, we'll make it worse, which has already started, thanks to you. Like my dolphin picture? --Hrodulf 15:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

So long, and thanks for all the fish! --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 02:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Freedom of Speech

Perhaps this is an alien concept to you... but people are entitled to actually write whatever the hell they like so long it doesn't contravene the laws of libel (and since the purpose of this is comedic parody, I would state that this article is protected). Creating terrorist laws? hah, why don't you pause and get a grip on reality please; nutcases blowing up buildings create terrorist laws, not comedic articles on the internet... and as far as I can see, there is a distinct lack of info on killing people in the article.

You see these people that claim various video games inspired them to kill, I'm afraid it's rubbish, in truth, a person is responsible for their own actions, and if you're attempting to claim that a person on the autistic scale isn't responsible for their own actions, then the logical suggestion would be to protect them from society and segregate them, but we of course both know that's crap.

So perhaps you might think about getting off your podium now slashy, and consider that society is better off not being mollycoddled all the time, and exposed to a bit more reality and (GOD FORBID) offensive humour rather than your padded-cell censored view of how the world needs to be. --Olipro Anchor KUN (Harass) 16:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Olipro, you proved yet again just how carelessness can lead to trouble - and you can`t even see it. Or you don`t want to. What do you want, World War 3? I think you do, such is your approval of careless behaviour that offends. In order to achieve peace in this world you have to be tolerant. Yes, even if that includes molycoddling (although there are limits of course). Too bad if you don`t like that, because in some cases it is needed for the greater good. That is reality. --Anonymous Slashy

And another thing: there is an Asperger's wiki. We don't go there and rant and complain about their site content. Please do us the same courtesy. We're a comedy wiki. If you don't like it, go to the Aspie wiki. Or oprah.com. Or anywhere else but here. Scram! --Hrodulf 16:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Not until I get satisfaction, Hrodulf. --Anonymous Slashy

If I can help it, you won't. --Hrodulf 09:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't get no satisfaction, and I'm on my nineteenth nervous breakdown. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Somebody should sue that "Shakespeare" bastard. . . look at all the violence and crimethink in his plays! Murder, suicide, poisoning, witchcraft. . . All the horrific crimes committed by theater patrons can be directly attributed to the satanic influence of this evil "Bard." Because I say so, and I also say I have a mental illness and you should believe me because if you don't I'll whine and whine and whine. . .  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 15:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Realization

What...the hell?--Nytrospawn 16:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• For —rc (t) 02:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Fore! Anyone for a good game of Golf to forget this whole situation never happened? --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 02:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The Late Hans Asperger For Admin

• Nom and For - For bringing us such wonderful anonymous IPs and whiners in the last two days. For those of you who don't know, he's the pediatrician who first recognized the disease, and it was subsequently named after him. Perhaps maybe the presence of his corpse at Uncyclopedia (preferably around this Halloween) will get us more support for our stand on this whine-fest. Then again, maybe not. --EMC ^[TALK] 18:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
• For - Before the Aspie Halloweinies launch their Tor Proxy programs and blank and vandalize every page on this site on October 31st as they plan to do for a Halloween prank. Imagine an Aspie Humor Site written by Aspies who got pushed over the edge, backed into a corner, and decided to go on an Internet Rampage for revenge at the Uncyclopedia article that dared mock their syndrome. Hmmmm, can someone please make that a front page praody sometime? Thanks. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 18:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Orion, will you make up your mind? One minute you're being reasonable - the next you're being as much of a jerk as the other posters in here! --Anonymous Slashy

Sorry the voices in my head made me post that. Are you mocking my schzioaffective disorder? --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 02:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

FINAL NOTE (DOH)

I have decided to leave the whining thing there - because I realised something. There IS whining going on in here. It`s just not coming from my keyboard. It`s coming from almost everyone else`s. --Anonymous Slashy

Well, I'm glad you've finally come to that conclusion. We can all agree there is whining in this thread. As for me, I'm done feeding the troll. It's someone else's turn.--<<>> 03:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to Anonymous Slashy

My schizoaffective disorder is acting up and I am hearing voices and trying to write funny things. I am sorry if I appear as a jerk. It is all of the stress I have gone through the past few days trying to come up with a solution and reasoning to this serious issue. All of this has been overwelming for me, and I am trying my best to get control of my illness. It has caused me a lot of confusion, and stress. So bare with me, I'll try to make adjustments. The way I get over those sorts of things is to joke about them. I hope that Uncyclopedia can settle this thing with you somehow. It would be easier to bring about world peace and perform open heart and brain surgery at the same time, than reason and settle out this issue. I have to take a double dose of my nerve pill and my anti-psychotic pill, just so I can go to sleep tonight. --Lt. Orion Blastar (talk) 03:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

What a load!

Jesus Horatio Double-bloody-motherfucking Christ on a handcart!! Does anybody really care what this obsessive troll thinks??!? He/she/it's obviously some pathetic loser with nothing better to do with it's time than whine for hours about a condition we don't even have proof he has! It's probably some geek running around to various public terminals, making his pointless rut of a life feel better by monopolizing a whole bunch of time from a whole bunch of people. Go whine to your mommy, little boy! Go away and let the real people get on with running this site. I know a hell of a lot of Fatties that have been treated infinitely worse all their lives by thier own family and "friends" for their heinous crime of being genetically predisposed to fat, and you don't hear me whining about that article, do you? No, I took the opportunity to plaster my girlfriend's fat ass on the page, and to twist it a bit toward my point of view. . . which I don't spend hours whining about like it's the fucking gospel. There are millions of sites on the internet, if you don't like this one, (I'll say it in words of one syllable or less, so you can comprehend:) GO. . . THE. . . FUCK. . . AWAY! </outraged rant>   Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 09:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

He may be a troll, but I think we're trolling him more than he's trolling us. At least, I am. --Hrodulf 09:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh, but it feels so good to vent, once in a while, and what a target! A self-righteous, fascist, microcephalic control-freak stroking his inferiority complex by trying to push us around. . . I mean, what a total zero! Probably lives in his mommy's basement and whacks off on underwear stolen from the little old lady next door. Awwww, poor widdle man. . . him needs to feel big and stwong, doesn't he? Someone with this bad a case of Reality Deficit Disorder should be in theology. . . or politics. Perhaps he's just disgruntled because Santa, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny won't take his calls. . . In short, what a fucking child. Get over yourself and get on with your life, kid. . . it flies by faster every year, and you never get any of it back.  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 10:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

It was enjoyable, because I was standing up for our right to make fun of everything, no holds barred, and I didn't give in one inch to this guy's idiotic demands. It feels good just to be able to stand up for yourself here, even if I can't do it anywhere else. That's why it's so important to do it here, because if they beat you down here, there's really not much left of a person's freedom in this idiotic society. For more of my view on this, read UnNews:Choice of which product to buy last vestige of freedom for most Americans --Hrodulf 10:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

My reaction is a little less analytical, but for exactly the same reasons as yours, Hrodulf. I just goggled at the sheer mass of time-wastage and got pissed that this little parasite was being treated civilly, given his totally unrealistic, unreasonable attitude. Rude, I'm good at. . . and I haven't even reached mid dudgeon yet, never mind high.  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 10:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I like what you said about his dad should have jerked him off and used the next spooge instead, I'm just usually not that good with the insults. Also, whenever someone insulted this guy he seemed to like it and get all excited and throw it back at us, so I was sort of trying to avoid doing that for that reason. It's no fun if he likes it! But what you said was cool, you got him better than anybody else here. If he reads that, he's gotta be pissed off!--Hrodulf 10:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I should hope so! Especially since the only time I've actually heard it used (from a father to his own son, no less,) it led to patricide. Ahh, those were the good old days, before anonymous internet usage, where you could just go and pound the righteous shit out of fucktards like this. . . Now all we can do is amuse ourselves at their expense until they dry up and blow away, like the flakes of jism off their mother's ham-slab of a thigh after she's serviced yet another good shippin' crew.  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 10:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you're like Mozart, only with insults instead of music! Awesome! --Hrodulf 10:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I work with the public. . . mostly elderly, well-off public. Stupid fucking sheeple who wouldn't lift their lazy asses out of a chair if their lives depended on it, who look down on me because their bank accounts are bigger than mine, and that somehow makes them better human beings. , , I have to smile and be polite and helpful to these useless parasites, who'd be living in caves and shitting in their own water supply if it wasn't for people like me, who do the real work. Ah, but the silent soundtrack in my head. . . what I could say if I didn't need to whore myself out to survive in this stupid society. . . Yeah, I get a lot of practise with insults, if mostly sub-audibly.  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 11:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's an obvious talent and probably can be put to good use here. Especially towards people like our Anon Slashy who need to have their egos taken down from the stratosphere. --Hrodulf 11:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, with 85's like him, they'll just keep re-iterating the same worthless arguments in different phrases. . . Like trying to argue evolution with an evangelist; They may even privately see the logic in it, but acknowledging it in public would destroy the fantasy that sustains them and makes them feel like they're important. Eventually, though, after a bunch of bluff and bluster, he'll get bored and move on, like all bullies. In the meantime, it's our solemn duty to illustrate unto him the finer points of his lack of breeding, genetic and mental deficiencies, probable physical and olfactory shortcomings, possible disgusting habits (I bet he eats his boogers, f'rinstance,) sexual abberations, and. . . well, whatever else we can dream up. It's an exercise for us: The sniveling little toad won't get the point, he's just too stupid. He's an idiot studying to be a moron and failing. . . miserably. Not only is he not the sharpest knife in the drawer, the boy's a fuckin' spoon!  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 11:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

And, YES! I am being intentionally as offensive as I can towards you, you little patch of pond-scum. I figure I should point this out in case you've somehow missed it. Self-righteous little twats like you should be shot and pissed on. . . then your parents should be shot and shat on for raising such a feebleminded, vacuous, shithead. Do you understand? Your father should've jerked you off and used the next load!   Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 10:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

He couldn't just be banned he was using tons of proxies. Thus we had to reason with him. --User:Nintendorulez 22:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Synopsis

For all those people who've arrived at this forum wondering what was going on and been astonished by the sheer volume of text, here's the briefest summary of the events possible: anonymous slashy, having repeatedly vandalised the page on Asperger Syndrome was graciously allowed a fair hearing by Orion (despite the fact that he/she didn't really deserve it given his actions) and put forward a relatively reasonable argument that people with Asperger's wouldn't be able to get the joke, and there was a danger of someone going on a shooting rampage as a direct result of the article (the word relatively is obviously quite necessary given the somewhat hysterical nature of this original argument) pretty much everyone laughed this off, and slashy then completely undermined his own standpoint by behaving in an utterly intractable manner and refusing to budge an inch on his demand that the page be deleted, thus bringing upon himself the full force of all uncyc users' collective scorn (which is what roughly 90% of the above text consists of) and leading Asperger Syndrome to be nommed on VFH, purely to piss him off. --Sir Jam 10:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and there were threats of the entirety of uncyclopedia being blanked by an aspie with a proxy generating program... that didn't really help slashy in being given a fair hearing. --Sir Jam 10:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

And I got to do some flaming! Finally! --Hrodulf 10:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

A technical point

Anonymous Slashy, if you're going to use that instead of your ip stamp to sign your posts, put five tildes after it like this
"Anonymous Slashy ~~~~~" so your posts get date stamped. Thank you. --Hrodulf 10:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's an example of proper usage of this:

"It's not my fault that you are all intolerant hateful people with hate in your hearts who hate people with AS and want to hurt them and then claim to be them and that's just sick and you're all hateful hateful people with hate in your hearts and evil in your minds and you won't listen to me and that means you aren't real aspies because if you were real aspies you'd all listen to me and be my followers and do whatever I said because if I said no aspie could live with this article than anyone who disagrees with me isn't really an aspie. Now delete the page or I will get the sysop of the internets to sue you for forty billion dollars! Anonymous Slashy 10:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)"

See, that post had a date stamp! Correct usage! --Hrodulf 10:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you think he'll understand all those big words?  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 11:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

If he does he'll get mad, so there's no way to know for sure, since he'd get mad anyway. --Hrodulf 14:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed that this?

In just a few days, this became longer than Talk:Euroipods. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 20:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Damn, you're right. --Hrodulf 22:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we should nominate this as a featured article. It's giga-shitloads more entertaining than Euroipods! --Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 22:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd make an image for it, but I don't know how to photoshop. But yeah, it should definitely be featured/made an article of. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 23:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I use MS Paint (and occasionally MS Photo Editor) so most of pictures suck but that doesn't stop me. So, I edited and submitted the picture near the top of the page. --Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 00:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I feel the same way you do. So I have no right to complain. In fact, it's pretty good. I actually submitted several Paint images myself. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 00:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Attn: Anon guy

Your use of proxies means I can't use your user talk page. I just have a quick question. If our article offends you, how much does this offend you: (Copy and paste in your browser. Stupid spam filter) http://aspergers.on.nimp.org (NOBODY BUT ANON GUY CLICK THIS URL. It's enough to offend a normal Uncyclopedian, I want to see anon's reaction. It's related to Goa Tse, but worse.) --User:Nintendorulez 21:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

God damn. I had to ForceQuit my browser to get rid of that shit. ---Rev. Isra (talk) 22:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

God bless the GNAA. --Hrodulf 22:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I warned you guys... Goa Tse should've been a clear sign to not click. --User:Nintendorulez 22:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll just play it safe this time. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 23:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)