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Are you blowing me? Uncyclopedia, uncy of all things, has put up with the censorship of boobs? When did this happen, and what's wrong with boobs????? A full-on crotch shot, maybe. Pumping a sheep while video of a close up, yeah, I can get on board. But what has happened here????? Why haven't the admins created a full on revolt? And what else has been removed to make this site not only child safe but bringing it back to the goddamn 1950s! Boobs? WTF. Aleister 13:33 10Decem12

We had a couple of forums about it. Sannse brings up the images that are deemed questionable and then the chance to keep, censor or delete them is made. No regular user here is happy with this since the site already carries a warning sign and 'iffy' articles have long been tagged NSFW for that reason. That's the current situation. --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 14:05, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Bettie Page was censored by Wikia? My god in heaven. I'll write more on this later, must go now. "I Love Lucy" is on tv, and after that "The Donna Reed Show" attracts my interest. I like Ike (I really do). And if those goddamn Beatniks don't stop trying to corrupt the McCarthy Hearings, I'll be gosh darned. Aleister Somewhere in the '50s

Shut the fuck up, you fools! If you keep talking about them, she'll find them ALL! ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Mon, Dec 10 '12 15:34 (UTC)

No boob pics?! It's the end of the world as we know it. -- Kippy the Elf Talk Works ☃ 17:57, Dec. 10, 2012

While playing with my fave weed this afternoon I came up with language for a petition. What do people think about this idea, and it just makes perfect sense to me. Here tis:

"WE THE UNDERSIGNED demand, or at least ask nicely, or, well, consider it anyway, that WIKIA do one of two things. Either 1) Remove the rules about images with nipples, and allow them to return minus the weird WIKIA advertisement plastered over them, or 2) Put the same advertisement over every bare male breast. Thank you. (signed by folks)"

"Hey, you guys playing finger games. Cover up already! Who do you think you are?"

I am flambozzled that this has occurred, and it seems so strange to me that this seems almost like a joke page, but it's real. 1950s style. If women's breasts are off-nippled, then male tit should be as well, IMNHO. Then we can party like its 1999, or 1979 at least. Aleister 00:00 11Decem12

It's okay.

We're leaving.

Soon.

Be ready.

Yeah. -— Lyrithya ༆ 00:20, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Two mirrors?

There's already one, once the transition is complete, will there be two? This will be even more confusing to those who are looking for the real Uncyclopedia (though the mirror site does currently have a link to this site in its site notice, plus certain UN-retouched photos). -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 00:42, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

The unattributed copy hosted by carlb would not be an issue had various users not ignored repeated requests that they leave the thing alone, and even now it should be clearly not supported. On Wikia, Uncyclopedia is taking another direction entirely - becoming a more family-friendly and sanitised version, which could potentially coexist with our own without detrimenting the community aims. Should anyone mistake either for what for us will be the real thing, it will only mean that Uncyclopedia has failed. -— Lyrithya ༆ 01:06, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

I doubt anyone would mistake carlb's version, since it has no voting and no active forums. Appearances are maintained there in case anybody does mistake it for the main site and think that Uncyclopedia is that bad (there are still missing pictures galore, and an absence of good new articles, which should tip anyone off). When I see anybody writing well on that version, I point them over to the main site, pronto. I have heard the argument made that carlb's version is drawing away users, but none of the users there write new Uncyclopedia-quality articles, so I remain unconvinced of this particular argument. Besides, what has been stolen by carlb's site can always be copied back later ;) if you know what I mean. Efforts are made to attribute articles properly by importing an article's entire history rather than just the latest revision, though there have been mistakes made, and each article's history now includes a message that references this site. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 01:26, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand a word either of you are saying, it all sounds kind of BizzaroUncyclopedia to me. HowAbout:My petition idea? WIKIA should do the right thing on this site, and roll back the censorship and the seriousness of the warning notice (if not the entire warning notice). Aleister 1:30 11Decem12

Basically we're moving, after which all our problems will magically go away. And simsilikesims, carlb's mirror is Bad. Please stop promoting it. -— Lyrithya ༆ 02:09, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Have we decided where we're moving to yet? -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 03:46, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

We have some servers. -— Lyrithya ༆ 05:34, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Then Junior Uncyclopedia will be the Wikia hosted site? --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 09:05, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

I believe that about sums it up, from what I understand. -— Lyrithya ༆ 16:02, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Only one question: Will everything from here be there? Up to the minute, or hour, and will the page histories travel with it. How much will be lost. That's more than one question. Aleister 16:21 11Decem12

Will there be voting? Or forums? We don't have a large userbase here right now, to contribute to these on both Wikia and the new site. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 20:53, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

We're getting everything, at least up to a minute/hour/day, though it may not be quite the one people expect. And While people are welcome to contribute to Wikia's Simple Uncyclopedia if they really want to, the idea is that we are moving. Wikia can have their sanitised Uncyclopedia, and the Uncyclopedia community can have their own rowdy sandbox from which to once more grow and prosper and hurl onion rings at each other, rather like the days of old. Or some such. Specifics are up to you folks, really; I generally just handle technical stuff. Point is everyone wins or something. -— Lyrithya ༆ 22:22, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. Please open a discussion of what is needed to be discussed, and maybe if it's explained enough Wikia can negotiate a policy to rollback the censorship to where it used to be. Isn't the warning label enough? It's very stupid to have a warning label when other satire sites don't have them. And Wikipedia has extremely explicit material: graphic pictures and illustrations of the human body which we, if my reading is right, would likely never allow here. Censorship is so 1950s. As for the mirror, hopefully it will have the same dimensions, no ads, and things. Wikia shouldn't really expect to put outside ads on this site, a non-ad environment is something worth fighting for, imnho. Those be my two cents, worth about a tenth-of their weight in metal. But what do I know, I'm high and don't even remember what I wrote up there, but it felt good in a marijuana "insight of patterns and what feels right" way. Time to edit! Aleister 23:28 121212121212

We all agree with everything you're saying, except for the fact that I'm not presently high. The issue isn't whether we want the logical and/or right thing to be done, but the fact that Wikia refuse to accept this logic, which is generally indicative of their history. Petitions have never helped with Wikia, because 1) a petition is not a legally binding contract, and 2) They don't really care. -RAHB 00:57, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the chance that anybody is every going to get Wikia to change their policy is 0.00000% -- The Zombiebaron 03:37, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

How can we be sure that when we have moved to the new space, this whole censorshit-thing won't happen again? I BET that Wikia isn't the only host that wants to destroy all nipples... Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 14:11, 13 December, 2012 (UTC)

Because we will be the host. -- The Zombiebaron 06:16, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Don't touch the mirror?

Oddly, I've never heard that. I've heard whining about it's existence, and a pathetice attempt to denigrate the site on the grounds that it doesn't cover NC-BY-CC-SA ruling - which it does now the full history has been imported, and every history page links back to here, and the "About" page is very clear. I did ask an admin here about editing there once, and I was told “I don't like the site, but I can't ask you not to edit it.” Isn't it funny how things work out. Nominally Humane! 02:59 19 Dec

I have an idea of where we could move

ShoutWiki

I'm cool with the admins of that site, so if we want to move there, I could be the Uncyclopedian ambassador, if nothing else. ~[ths] UotM 22:43, 12/12/2012

Seems legit. -- Кıяву ^Тαгк _{Сойтяıвs} 2012-12-13T01:05

Because Lyrithya is being so vague despite letting 99% of the cat out of the bag why not know the whole bread and butter of this ordeal

Some disillusioned "Golden" and "Silver" age users have invested in a side server upon which an entirely new and more or less identical version of the site (except run by the people, for the people) will come to life within the next _____ months (I mean it's been about a year in the planning as far as I can approximate so who knows). Since obviously control over our own comedy (and marketing! woooo marketing!) is so much of a better idea than staying here, hopefully all you guys will come to keep writing on the new site, while whoever decides to stay here can transform it into whatever other similar purpose they want to do with it, like make it into Wikipedia or something.

Attempting to reason with Wikia will get you nowhere because we are literally their least important part of their day, they are a corporation, and you have a thick and probably fluid-filled skull. Stop being a neanderthal.

A mostly identical situation happened with Darthipedia or whatever a little while ago. No idea how it turned out, but now the Wikia edition is used for non-jokes while the copy hypothetically became a cash cow you may now know as Cracked. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 08:58, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

I dunno whether to admit that your lame joke about Darthipedia went completely over my head (I spent ten minutes googling) or just be a humorless cock and point out that cracked.com was never associated with Wikia. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Thu, Dec 13 '12 9:21 (UTC)

"Hey here's an idea why don't you do both--TKF". ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Thu, Dec 13 '12 9:34 (UTC)

And the Cracked website is impossible to look at because of all the advertising. We are one of the few good sites on the web which has escaped looking like the Yellow Pages, and to me this is even more important than boobs (well, maybe not, but looking at electronic boobs, yes). Aleister 13:10 13decem12

Isn't it strange how everyone is completely ignoring my comment above about ShoutWiki? ~[ths] UotM 01:01, 12/14/2012

Except Kirby. I don't want to say anything about it because I'm not the one in charge. Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 05:42, 14 December, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it is strange. -- The Zombiebaron 06:19, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

A more thorough explanation

My apologies; it was not supposed to come out quite like that - there should have been a proper discussion and explanation to begin with, but unfortunately that did not happen and now we are here and there are questions everywhere.

In short, a small group of admins and developers have been working over the past few months on preparation for Uncyclopedia to leave Wikia. We have servers and are working with developers from other projects to help get them set up, and we also have been looking into legal issues, writing policies, preparing press releases, etc, with an aim for deployment of three weeks from now. The entire thing hinges, however, on Uncyclopedia, as a community, actually leaving, but given that Wikia's aims are no longer compatible with Uncyclopedia's as it currently exists, there is little else to be done at this point.

But while we have the platform and the content, we do not have the community consensus about how to actually go about moving the community - or what direction to actually take the thing afterward... that much is up to you lot. I assume there will be voting.

Zombiebaron is Dictator for Life. That vote is closed. -— Lyrithya ༆ 06:21, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

So we'll just wait? Well, I can do that. I'm not yet sure which side I'm going to, but that is something that I'll decide later. But will the new Uncyc get a seperate IRC-page, no IRC at all or will the IRC-pages blend? Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 06:35, 14 December, 2012 (UTC)

If we could please agree not to have sides, that will make everything much easier in the long run. Otherwise there will be no point in going through with any of this. -— Lyrithya ༆ 07:01, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, alright, no sides then, but what will happen to IRC? Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 07:07, 14 December, 2012 (UTC)

Wikia doesn't host our IRC channel. It's hosted on freenode.net, which is hosted by Canonical, the guys behind Ubuntu Linux. Our IRC channel will exist exactly where it does now. Sheesh. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Fri, Dec 14 '12 7:28 (UTC)

Oh-kay. Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 07:30, 14 December, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, guess you really bungled up that press release classic Lyrithya-style. Honestly, this would be a great idea if you were seperated from it by an enormous pirate's wheel with a 20 mile radius and spokes that spun around at about one mile per minute such that every once in a while it bonks you on the head. Then again, I suppose it wasn't my money that I drained into funding the hosting for a long-shot-oft-delayed gamble at revitalizing a dead and confused once-comedy website.... -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 09:56, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Just kiddin' fellas I'm behind this idea with 99% of my body fat. Just bein y'alls superegos. And also quit bein such a Lyrithya. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 09:58, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

So YOU'RE the "other 99%" those filthy hippies at Civic Center park are talking about! Whutever man. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Fri, Dec 14 '12 10:01 (UTC)

Well this is a fine kettle of worms. We are a long way from a dead site, it's going good now and if a few more vets came back to us from the sidelines we'd be in excellent shape. Yet this WIKIA stubborness and stupidness, combined with hidden arrangements to move to a whole new site, tosses the salad and worms up into the air. Where it will land is the question, and keeping the site alive and active - divided we fall remember - should be priority one. And no ads, priority almost one. Aleister 10:54 14decem12

I think Google or Bing should develop an Aleister Translator option because sometimes I need it to work out some of Al's comments. I also don't see much point lamenting about a supposed Golden Age either. --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 11:16, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Translation: When a second site is opened it may tear the community in two, some people and new users editing here, the "in the know" people editing there. Since we are here right now let's try some more negotiation, is all I'm saying. And come up with a better warning notice for this site. Maybe this all should be talked of on a new forum. Or three new forums, whichever come first. Aleister hours later in the day, 15:25 to be exact

What negotiations? By editing on a Wikia site you agree to follow their terms of use. By uploading images with nudity you are breaking their terms of use. There really is nothing to negotiate, but if you want to send emails that nobody at Wikia will even bother replying to by all means go ahead and use Special:Contact. I agree that we will have to pay attention to both sites so that if some old user returns to the Wikia site we can point them to the new site, but once the main body of the community moves to the new site this place will become a steamy pile of IP shit pretty fast. -- The Zombiebaron 17:48, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Do you think they want this site to be a steaming pile of IP shit? If they do, then I'm all with you, even though it seems like most of the people here were not told of this and involved in the decisions. And I think most of us still love this site, love it enough to try to save it, as I'm sure you're doing by opening up a new site. Maybe now a few forums can go up explaining some of the basic questions and addressing the concerns. Lots of concerns. Probably keeping everyone out of the loop until now has created doubts that there isn't an entire series of major hidden agendas mixed into the firm "we're moving and nobody has a say about it". You can understand that, I'm sure. But now, time to edit! Aleister 17:54 15fdecem12

1) Why should we care what they want? They don't care what we want. 2) I think this has become the official forum for explaining the move, so all your questions will be answered here. 3) Keeping the majority of the community out of the loop was necessary because we didn't know how Wikia would react. In the past Wikia has taken some pretty horrific actions against communities that try to leave, and if we were public about our plans before all the details were finalized there was a chance our plans would all be ruined. Now, however, we have made our plans public, and we are taking into account all the comments made here so that everybody has a say. -- The Zombiebaron 18:08, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. But for now, time to edit. I'll be on later today or this weekend to join the discussion, and see what unaddressed questons come to mind. Aleister 18:30 15decemb12

Behind the back stuff

Where are these discussions taking place and how does the rest of the community sign up to participate in them? --ShabiDOO 23:06, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

The discussions are taking place in a secret bunker in a secret country so secret that the people involved do not even know where they are or what they are talking about. All of this was voted on by a super secret group of blindfolded chimps who did not understand what was happening. But seriously, this is all highly technical stuff and we don't need help, but thanks. -- The Zombiebaron 06:25, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

How about other national Uncyclopedias? Some of them are hosted on wikia, some are not (we Germans are). Will we be given the chance to join the move? NaturalBornKieler (talk) 13:26, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Good question NBK! How is it? Will they get the same? Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 14:53, 15 December, 2012 (UTC)

I feel comforted by the fact that this is may be an April fools day joke occuring in December. Or, you guys will do whatever you want to do and see if the community follows you there or not. If that is the case, Ali's prediction is guaranteed. --ShabiDOO 15:30, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think we do indeed plan to try moving foreign Uncyclopedia's as well. Shabidoo I don't think I will ever understand what you have against the admins speaking with each other in private. -- The Zombiebaron 17:41, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Other less technical discussions haven't, for the most part, really been happening, as Zomebiebaron says, but what there has been so far has largely been over IRC. Given that we will now be more open about the entire thing, however, structural and organisational discussion will be a must and we will make a point to get word out and discussion going on forums where all community members may participate. -— Lyrithya ༆ 18:32, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Zombie. Forums are more complicated than IRC, which doesn't mean that forums shouldn't be where policy is brought up and discussed openly, clearly and transparantly. Especially when there are like 5 admins and 15 users who are active...and that this is a wiki and all. One good exception.....

RE:Lyrithya, as per what you said on Ali's talk page, thank you for explaining everything. When put that way, it does make sense talking and planning things somewhat secretively...and I and probably other users, very much appreciate it that you took the time to explian it in a clear and logical way.

Re: The jewish evil cabal, while I have total confidence in you guys to pull this project off and while most of us are probably all for it, my only concern (and perhaps that of other users) is that if the new site is preprogrammed by a few other users, that new structures and or rules can be incorporated into the new site, without any consultation with the community, i.e. great...look at the new site...wait...what? VFD is gone? The user pages and talk pages have merged and look like facebook now? VFS has been totally changed? VFH is now given weighted voting? I'm not saying that will happen nor that things shouldn't change, but it is a VERY legitimate concern, and openess and transparancy about any changes that may have been made, no matter how innocently or for best of intentions...would likely create more confidence in the community for those who are administering the project. Well...at least for me.--ShabiDOO 14:50, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Here, let ME take a flyer at this one, Shabidoo: It will be UNCYCLOPEDIA, except NOT HOSTED ON WIKIA. Clear now? Good. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sun, Dec 16 '12 15:52 (UTC)

Silly me...I didn't see Lyrithyas text up above. Glad to hear it. BB...don't forget that when you ingest a lot of stimulants, you have to take a nap at some point, if you don't, youll end up breaking up with your EXes all over again, and will wake up clinging to a Satelite orbiting over the pacific. --ShabiDOO 21:01, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

In front of the chest stuff

One thing I'm not clear about, when the new place is up and running, will there be a link to it somewhere, or will membership be by invitation only? Would you have to go into IRC chat to find out where it is? --Bill Melater (talk) 05:38, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Why would it be "invitation only"? That would be as pointless as tits on a tomcat. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Dec 15 '12 5:44 (UTC)

Ok, good! I agree completely, but to be honest I've never broached the sensitive topic of tits with a hermaphroditic tomcat, so for all I know they might not be pointless at all.--Bill Melater (talk) 06:53, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Trust me, they're pointless. You try to milk enough tomcats, you find out the hard way. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Dec 15 '12 7:28 (UTC)

If everything goes according to plan there will be a link to the new site on the front page of every major newspaper on the day we go live. -- The Zombiebaron 06:27, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, excellent. Don't forget to 'tweet' it. Don't have a clue what that is, but all the kids seem to be talking about it.--Bill Melater (talk) 06:53, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

We're going to replace EMC (the guy who runs the twit account) with a bot that tweets "UNCYCLOPEDIA HAS MOVED! NEW LINK [HERE]!" every minute on the minute. While wanking. Which will be different from usual, because @uncyclopaedia will be tweeting "UNCYCLOPEDIA HAS MOVED! NEW LINK [HERE]!" ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Dec 15 '12 7:31 (UTC)

I thought EMC was a bot. Nominally Humane! 03:05 19 Dec

I haven't looked at this page in a few days...

...and haven't found any of the things I'm concerned about addressed yet by the people organizing this. First question: Who has been involved in organizing it?

Now two easy ones, (and it was sort of addressed above, I just want to make sure), 2) Will we still look exactly the same. The same original premise that we are satirizing wikipedia and will keep the wikipedia-type format. And will we have all the same pics and articles, and 3) will all the code we know so well be in place?

One a bit harder. Who will people be directed to when they search for uncyclopedia on Google, Bing, etc. Will the first site listed be the new website or will it be this Wikia version we're writing on now? If it's wikia, then what do we have to do to leapfrog that major obstacle?

If all those are easy ones, here's the biggy, and this may or may not take a new forum before we move. On a knowingness level, and believe you in me, I know that we will prosper much more if we have a no ad policy. Think of it, we would be the only site among the major comedy sites which has no ads, and is all volunteer down to the people hosting the servers (unless money flows in....and I believe it will). Wikipedia does it, Freerepublic does it, and I don't know how many other major sites do it. But I believe that if we break away from wikia and remain the first major "Big Three" or "Big Four" comedy site to go ad free, then at some point - maybe sooner than some think - we will attract donations from some inspired well-to-do people who admire that type of spirit and attract publicity driven on the publishing end by people with that same type of personality. We are unique now, and with the move and without the warning template, we will go back to our premise of being a powerful satire of wikipedia, complete with our own powerful volunteer staff of potentially hundreds of good writers. Ads will kill all of that, they really will imnho, and to take this step without a clear no-ads or ads policy beforehand defeats the purpose of the move, frying pan into the fire speaking. Aleister 19:00 19December2012

1. The Cabal.
2. Yes.
3. Yes. Unequivocally yes. Have you been paying attention?
4. We're going to go pay Bing and Google millions of dollars to list the new Uncyclopedia first. Obviously.
5. Oh no of course there aren't going to be any ads. We've found a wealthy benefactor who is made of candyfloss and rainbows who is going to pay for a massive server to host the crap that a bunch of lay-abouts wrote while goofing off. Obviously. The only problem is that he doesn't exist.

Hope this answered your questions! ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Thu, Dec 20 '12 0:36 (UTC)

Nope. A couple of them though, thanks. I'm trying to be serious here. If we have ads it ruins the website. Seriously, it does. We are no longer a wikipedia clone, and the joke is as throughly lost as it is lost by having a sign-in page like we have now. Aleister 00:43 20December12

There's going to have to be one small ad, either on the sidebar or at the bottom of the page, although if you like, you are welcome to purchase N * 5 t-shirts from the Uncyclopedia store (which, believe it or not, still exists) OR make a one-time donation of $N00 to pay for the server for the next N months. Servers do not pay for themselves. I believe the ad's going to be from that Project Wonderful (or whatevs) that TKF spoke about in the forum earlier this year; do not quote me on this, I am not a ringleader.

This endeavor is not free. Numerous people have put their time and effort into this, and at least one person whom I will not name (not me) has spent several hundred dollars of their own money on it. While I personally have no issues with a single ad, I understand your objections...up to a point. But no, a single ad is not "just as bad" as a retarded CONTENT WARNING that drives away our contributors. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Thu, Dec 20 '12 1:36 (UTC)

Also if my previous comments here sound like something a dick would say, I apologize. I'm supposed to be setting up a mail server right now, and instead I've been goofing off with the UnSignpost and sheep-fuckers. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Thu, Dec 20 '12 1:45 (UTC) -----Sheepish grin. --Bill Melater (talk) 14:43, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

When I joined the site in 2005 we had Google Ads. The best was that the ads would try to be relevant to the page you were viewing, often with hilarious results. Good times. -- The Zombiebaron 07:27, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Here is a list of the people who so far have made contributions to moving the site, both major and minor: Zombiebaron, Lyrithya, Jack Phoenix, Villahj Ideeut, Bizzeebeever, Thekillerfroggy, RAHB, Hotadmin4u69, Frosty, Skizzerz, Emufarmers, Legoktm, and Supergeeky1. There is no cabal. -- The Zombiebaron 08:18, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

I have €8,5 from a paypall account I can donate? --ShabiDOO 14:57, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Ask Hotadmin how. -- The Zombiebaron 16:00, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Google ads? The hell it must have been, nothing like what we have now. I would hope that this one initial ad be at the bottom of the page (so none of the content is advertising it) and that it would be removed once big-time contributors started tossing money at us just because we're an art form. Yet that leads into the question of how will we get to the top of google and Bing in addition to advertising on them, which is a good idea. A new site would have to get top listing in order to be considered legitimate unless we make our position known widely in the media. I'd be happy to help with writing drafts of some of the press releases and "letting it be known we need money" letters to folks who might fund us. Hollywood comedians comes to mind, even someone like Pauly Shore, fucked up in the head as he is, could be asked in interesting ways. Paul Krassner, who I had a brief email exchange with over possibly writing something for us (he sent an old satire piece, said he had to work for money) could at a minumum give us a few contact people. That kind of stuff. What is the monthly cost for a server (have we signed up for an extended time? Years would be good, and I'd suggest we do a two-year low estimate of how much money is needed, with everything volunteer except the server, and a high-estimate which would include an office and office expenses for the website, higher still would be with a salary for one or two administrators. Are those the kinds of things you've been looking at, or only server costs. We can probably go interestingly big if, at least in my vision - all of us have a specific vision of the thing) - only if we don't agree to long term ad contracts and don't ugly up the page (some websites look like the yellow pages, only everything is moving around and grabbing at your attention, attention which here, at uncy, should be on the writing and not some flashing ninjas on the side trying to sell you chocolate covered rabbits or chewing gum) with only the one ad at the bottom which can be canceled month-to-month? Does some of that sound reasonable? Aleister 16:50 20december12

Offices and salaried administrators? Aleister what brand of weed are you smoking. This place would need the kind of traffic that Cracked.com gets to pay for salaried administrators and offices. No, it would need the kind of traffic that Wikipedia gets. The people who are actually in charge of the move (I assume I'm not one of them, I really haven't asked) are hoping we make enough off advertising for the server to pay for itself. A two-year estimate of server costs would be around $I-don't-know-dollars,-ask-Lyrithya.

I don't think the ad is going to be at the bottom of the page, but I doubt it'll be at the top of the page; they're definitely not going to be the Alta-Vista/Geocities "BUY FREE VIAGRA HERE BLINK BLINK BLINK" ads.

As for asking folks for money...if you think your connections could fund it, I strongly advise you to be italic (see what I did there?). Like, the faster somebody comes up with money, the better. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Thu, Dec 20 '12 18:00 (UTC)

I'm not going to bother to read everything in this thread, but if we can pay for own hosting through donations and sales of Uncyclopedia merchandise then that would be preferred. Realistically though, we expect to have advertising. The advertiser we have been experimenting with on our e-store is Project Wonderful since we concluded, after a thorough analysis, that Google Adsense is very poopy. Obviously, depending on how well this move goes there is the potential for growth and who knows, maybe we will make lots of moneys and open up an Uncyclopedia office in Pyongyang. But for right now everything we do is strictly volunteer and as BB said, to make the site self-sustaining and independent. We already have press releases drafted and are pretty well prepared for the move in that respect. The only thing we are really waiting for is for the servers to be set up so we can point everything and everyone to the new URL. Anyone can definitely e-mail me if they want to help grow the wiki's popularity since overtaking the wikia.com domain will be critical for this move to be successful. I do think it's imperative to allow for independent management of the wiki, likely through a community elected Board of Trustees, once the move is done. But our main goal at this point is to get the site off of Wikia. --EMC ^[TALK] 20:59 Dec 20 2012

Which means everyone should go click the ads on our e-store. It's for a good cause. --EMC ^[TALK] 22:06 Dec 20 2012

"Google ads? The hell it must have been, nothing like what we have now." Actually, it was exactly the same as what we have now, except not hosted on Wikia. Wikia doesn't require us to have ads, but because we don't have ads we don't actually generate them any money, which is why they are not inclined to give a shit about us ever. -- The Zombiebaron 23:36, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

I sincerely believe that we can get donations from big name celebs and others, but we really have to keep the ads off. Widkipedia doesn't have ads, we shouldn't have ads. That's the overriding premise and joke. Please don't sign a contract for long-term ads, please keep the temporary single ad to the bottom of the page, and please list the yearly estimate for server costs and then for other costs. And yes, we will be as big as cracked. Look at the storehouse of knowledge, ah, faux knowledge we have and the tens of thousands of man hours already put into the site, now we just have to keep it going and finally get positive recognition form major media. Aleister 14:38DecemberSolstice

Forks make Auntie Sannse sad :(

Hi All,

First thing, I want to clear up a couple of misconceptions.

Aleister: the "wikia" censorship bars are not Wikia's idea. We asked for nude images to be removed or altered to meet our Terms of Use, but the styling isn't down to us (I think it was Hotadmin who decided to use our logo?)

TKF: you are never the least important part of my day. I wish I could get you in the Wikia offices to see that we are very normal people without Wikia tattooed on our foreheads, and we all really want Uncyclopedia and every other wiki we host to succeed. (We've met Uncyclopedians and survived before, and they put up with me... so I think it could work out.)

Lyrithya: Wikia's aims are for a strong, successful, and immensely popular site. I think those are compatible with your aims. Of course, there are areas where we feel the wiki needs to clean up, and you don't... but see below for more on that.

Zombiebarron: we very rarely ignore mail. The only ones we don't reply to are the ones that are ranting about how many peanuts you need to put in your ears to drive off the aliens. None of yours have ever fallen in that group, and we replied to all 13 of your messages to us in the last year - usually on the same day you sent them. If there were others we didn't get, or any future mail we don't reply to, please let me know. And, by the way, on this one I reserve the right to be grumpy and/or sarcastic when I next see you on IRC.

Also to Zombiebaron, and getting into the meat of this: We have not and will not take "horrific actions" on this wiki or any other that chooses to fork. We absolutely respect your right to fork, something that's always been a key part of the open source movement. That doesn't mean we like it when it happens of course, but it does mean we accept that it can and does happen.

The two areas we have had past conflict with forkers is in them trying to damage or control a wiki after they have left it, and in them trying to use the existing Wikia wiki to promote the fork - for example with sitenotices or mass talk page messages. We've gotten better at being clear on what's OK and not with these two areas over the years, so that everyone knows where we all stand. I'm happy to work with you to make sure there are no problems.

Of course, both as Wikia staff and as an Uncyclopedian (well, maybe an honorary one now that I've been inactive here so long) I'd rather you stayed. It sounds as though you are a long way along in organizing this, which possibly doesn't give us the time to talk that I'd have hoped for. I know that the current hot topics are the content warning and the removal of boobies. And then there are the longer term disagreements over the site URL, Wikia not providing Vector, and complaints about support levels (this is where I glare at Zombiebaron again). On the first two, we aren't totally happy with the solution either, and have been talking about alternatives for this and for other wikis with more adult themes. One idea, that I'm hoping will go ahead in the New Year, is to create a new grouping specifically for these wikis. I don't know exactly what it would look like, and it might still have some sort of gateway, but it would certainly allow the nude pics back. We want to talk to key community members from this and other "mature" wikis to work out what will work.

On thing I want to make sure is clear - if you do fork, this wiki will remain open and available. People who want to stay, and those who find the wiki in the future, will become this wiki's new community and choose admins and policies for themselves. One of the problems we have seen on other wikis is people trying to control the existing wiki, or even to change it so that it competes less with their new one. As I said, we respect your right to fork, but not to control and wiki you are leaving. This bit is me using my firm voice, which is like my normal voice, but not quite as girly-sounding

It sounds as though you (or some of you) are pretty determined to go ahead with this, but I'd still like a chance to persuade you otherwise. Of course, timing is everything, and I'm about to travel to England and be all Christmassy and stuff. But this is obviously a conversation that needs to happen soon, so I'll try to make myself as available as possible.

This page is a bit full and very off the original topic, so maybe we should start a new one? It seems the areas we should talk about are: is there anything I can do to help you stay? Is there any information I can give from my experiences of past forks about what to expect? What is and isn't OK if the fork goes ahead? And what the hell is up with EMC's name change and do I really have to call him Hotadmin4U?

So let me know if you want to talk here or make a new page, and I'll work out how to get Internets to continue the conversation as I try to get to England to pick up my pressies. -- sannse (talk) 19:41, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

I've put up a new forum here, with a more appropriate name so users actually know that something important is being discussed. Aleister' 21:08 DecemberSolstice'12

I'll copy over my full message too, to keep things together -- sannse (talk) 21:39, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

THANKS SANSE for a clear, direct and sincere response to what everyone has said and whined about. I've never been a fan of hard core wikia bashing, and I'm definitely aware that you are a group of (mostly) ordinary people in an office trying to make best of a super complex enviroment and who mostly want the best for each wiki when crafting and compromising policy. I doubt the boobies are really so important, but that content warning just makes one cringe every time us uncyclopedians sees it and it just adds stress to the editing experience rather than having fun and a sense of openess between us and the internet/audience. Which...I'm sure you know anyways. So...uhhhh...your moma!!! --ShabiDOO 22:24, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Responses can generally be found on the new forum. Please try to keep discussion together. -— Lyrithya ༆ 01:37, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

This is not Boobiepedia

Keep your articles about boobs like "Drake & Josh" on some other Wiki. We have had enough of boobs articles on Uncyclopedia. After all we are not a Wiki written by boobs like Wikipedia or Conservapedia. Just ask Skeletor what the word 'Boob' means, he'll tell you. Orion Blastar (talk) 22:34, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Boob pages have been featured, such as Sideboob. Boobs are a big part of life, for male and female, for babies to eat and survive from for quite a long time in baby years, and for sexual attraction and mating rituals. People naturally (how their brain is wired) take notice of boobs quite quickly upon seeing a woman, it's automatic as far as I know, it happens as much as attention on the person's face. There aren't really a lot of boobie pages anyway, at least not in the feature list. Aleister 23:11 DecemberSolstice'12boobs

Bear in mind also that boobs are not the only denomination affected by the TOU, simply the largest one. I personally don't care to contribute to a website where Godzilla vs. Urethra is not allowed to exist. -RAHB 23:23, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

A certain other site has this article in existence uncensored, no content warning, no boobs censorship (except in the case of one photo that was uploaded after the censorship was done), but also has no (or next to no) contributing community, no voting, and no forums, a slow server, and lots of missing pictures. It's the community that makes the difference, not the boobs or the urethra. There may come some writers after us, but if the site is not maintained, or is barely maintained (like this site I just mentioned), writers will quickly leave, or their contributions will be short, spur of the moment stuff, (bandcruft or schoolcruft for instance) not epics. Most amateur writers need fellow writers for creativity and writing suggestions and feedback. It's a shame Wikia is so unwilling to negotiate on the existence of the site content warning, and on the censorship of various images (one of which in my opinion, qualified as art rather than pure porn). I am not a big fan of boobs, but can certainly understand their humor value, and censoring breastfeeding and *fake* boobies takes it too far in my opinion. As to drawn art, it is a slippery slope, since there is a wide range from stick figures to hentai, and I certainly wouldn't want my mother knowing that I view hentai (since my grandmothers are no longer alive). If I had kids, I also wouldn't want them viewing certain hentai, and under a certain age, no hentai whatsoever. But worst of all in my opinion is this idea that Wikia can TOS anything that anybody finds offensive. I think this is what is meant by "things to come". Nonoffensive comedy is possible, but it usually ends up being a picture of an unoffensive cat (or other cute animal) with a cute caption, or a joke of the Reader's Digest variety, or possibly even slapstick humor of the sort that the show "Wipeout" (people fail at an obstacle course and go splash into the water) capitalizes on. We aren't icanhazcheeseburger, we aren't Reader's Digest, and slapstick humor generally does not translate well into written form. Either way, these restrictions that Wikia has placed on us, and may place on us in the future, restrict our creativity. Without creativity, little or no writing gets done. When no writing gets done, the wiki is done. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 03:28, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Boom, right there ^^. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Dec 22 '12 16:07 (UTC)

Sims, you're 1000% correct! Especially at that hentai-part. Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 17:22, 22 December, 2012 (UTC)

So what we are doing about this at the moment... is nothing, because I'm in an airport right now, on my way to celebrate Christmas in England. But what we are doing before and after my Christmas over-indulgence, is talking about how to solve this dilemma. This isn't just an Uncyclopedia thing, there are a few wikis around that are not pornographic, but edge up to or over the Wiki ToU line. You might be interested to know that we have a wiki specifically for anime-loving foot fetishists. Or one for people particularly fascinated by wedgies. Or at least, some of you might be interested... but I'm not judging here. So the content warning was our first try at dealing with this conundrum. Removing infringing images, while allowing the topic in general, was the next (alongside the warning message of course). Version three isn't clear yet, but might involve something like a "mature section" with it's own Terms of Use. There's not much I can tell you about the idea yet, because it's still an idea and one that needs working on, but we hope to be talking to some of you about it in the new year. I don't want to lose "Godzilla vs. Urethra" either (wait, we have an article called "Godzilla vs. Urethra"? srsly?) And I don't even want to lose that wiki about wedgies. So I'm keen on working on this in the New Year and trying to work out something that will work for us all in the long-term -- sannse (talk) 00:00, December 23, 2012 (UTC)