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Hello all,

I've decided to set the record straight with this forum.

If you notice, many people on the "same side" of arguments (e.g. Conservative-Liberal, Religious-Non-religious) can have wildly different views. The purpose of this forum is to document the different views between people, and also mark down what all of our opinions/stances are on the world's two top rift-causing issues: religion and politics.

Here's the setup-

Start by posting under the Religion header what your religion is/what your religious stance is (e.g. Christian, Atheist, etc), and nothing else (Besides your sig)

Then, do the same under Political, except with your political stance (Liberal-Center/Swing/Independent-Conservative). You can use This handy political compass calculator to find out where you stand. If you do use it, post your coordinates with your stance. Finally, I'd like to brew some good conversation on this topic. That's what the Discussion tab is for; I'd like to hear your reasons for how yo think, and why EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG the others aren't as "right" as you. Lively debate is encouraged.

I'll kick that off. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{23:14, 8 June 2012}

Religion

• Atheist →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{23:14, 8 June 2012}
• None. --Black Flamingo 00:01, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Rastafari -- The Zombiebaron 00:06, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Keeping-an-open-mind-ist. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 00:17, 9 June 2012
• Nudist. I'm not Orthodox or anything. I'm an unorthodox nudist. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 05:08, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

  I completely forgot to whore that thing I wrote that one time, which was awesome. I'm a Magic Pantheist. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 06:21, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

• Deist. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 05:24, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Christian, Protestant... --Gamma287 ☭Tetяis?
• Christian really, but would prefer to be atheist. Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 08:44, 9 June, 2012 (UTC)
• I'm an Atheist.--Sycamore (Talk) 09:40, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• There is no supernatural reality and Im going to be a total condecending dick to anyone who thinks so. --ShabiDOO 12:27, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

  I gotta disagree with you on that one, I think it's a very reasonable hypothesis, yo! *runs away before Shabidoo turns into a penis* —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 12:43, 9 June 2012

  I'm now going to give a TED lecture and point out to the whole world what a buffoon you are Socky!!!!!!!!! --ShabiDOO 14:08, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

  I agree. Or, if there is any supernatural being, it's me. Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 15:48, 9 June, 2012 (UTC)

• Agnostic Jew leaning towards atheist. -- Sir Xam Ralco the Mediocre 18:32, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Unitarian with both Wiccan and Christian leanings, borrowing from Buddhism on occasion. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 02:04, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
• Born a Hindu, but more of a Deist guy. --Scofield & The Machine 10:48, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
• On paper, Catholic Christian, but I found out in little school that religion is crap, so atheist. Mattsnow 11:14, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Cool! Altough I found it out on a christian kindergarden... Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 07:46, 13 June, 2012 (UTC)

• Christian. Not part of any denomination because we believe in the same thing.---   TALK What's it like to be a heretic? 21:17, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
• Apatheist--<<>> 02:16, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Political Stance

• Economic Left/Right: -6.38 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97 →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{23:14, 8 June 2012}
• Economic Left/Right: -5.88 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62 apparently. --Black Flamingo 00:01, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -6.75 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.00 -- The Zombiebaron 00:04, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Frankly, I think these labels are restrictive and detract from many important issues. Firstly, I'm a proponent of direct democracy. I'm aware that a lot of people are idiots, but reducing politics-associated thought to choosing between two parties is about the best thing you can do to encourage said idiotism. Obviously though, there'd have to be some unamendable constitutional laws to prevent discrimination against minorities and decisions based solely on religious dogma. As for the issues the political compass calculator inquires about, the government should provide social security and a decent justice system. For financing these things and only for these things, the government may impose taxes and pass legislations. For the rest, the government can have only as much influence on the economy as any corporation is allowed to have (the key difference with a normal company being that this one is to be directly regulated by a nation's population). Though if the free market needs to be violated to ensure social security and civil liberties, I honestly couldn't care less.
  But if you must know my score; Economic Left/Right: -6.38 • Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31, right between Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. : ) —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 02:25, 9 June 2012
• Rastafari -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 05:25, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right || 5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.08 --Gamma287 ☭Tetяis? 06:11, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: 3.88 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90--Sycamore (Talk) 09:41, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -9.00 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.00-- Split personality of shabidoo number 1 --ShabiDOO 14:19, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -9.01 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.01-- Split personality of shabidoo number 2 --ShabiDOO 14:19, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

  O_o —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 14:33, 9 June 2012

  Who is this joker who keeps removing my entries on the chart? Plplplplp. --ShabiDOO 14:38, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

  It won't save your entry if you haven't changed the link on this page to include your entry. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 15:56, 9 June 2012

• I was E-L/R:-6.62 SL/A:-5.95 last time. This time, I'm rooted in apathy. Apathy grows the best pot. Also, I'm pot. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 15:48, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -1.25 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49 Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 17:30, 9 June, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -2.62 || Social Liberatarian/Authoritarian: -4.51 -- Sir Xam Ralco the Mediocre 18:30, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -4.62 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54 -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 02:14, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -5.12 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38 --Scofield & The Machine 11:13, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -4.62 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10 I'm about where the Dalai Llama stands. And Xamralco, both of them being great thinkers of our time! Mattsnow 11:27, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

  The Dalai Llama, eh? ; ) —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 14:05, 10 June 2012

• Economic Left/Right: -4.00 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41 mAttlobster. (hello) 13:56, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
• Economic Left/Right: -7.50 || Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.05 My friends, I am living proof the internet makes you commie. I was 0,-1 just 7 years ago when I first took this test. True story. Also, looking at these scores, Uncyclopedia is apparently the place Occupy Wall Street goes after they're kicked out of the park...--<<>> 02:29, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Well, discuss. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{23:14, 8 June 2012}

Hi there. --Black Flamingo 00:01, June 9, 2012 (UTC

Fancy meeting you here. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{01:40, 9 June 2012}

• Once more people respond with their political compass results, somebody should plot them all on a graph. Maybe we can even incorporate different colours for the different religions. -- The Zombiebaron 00:13, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I can do that. It'll be interesting to see who's on the left and who's a right-wing Tea-Party Nazi. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{01:40, 9 June 2012}

• Pro-discussionist. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 00:19, 9 June 2012

 For. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{01:40, 9 June 2012}

• Comment. That survey linked above quizzes its takers on platitudes and vague statements, and none of the questions has an "I couldn't give less of a fuck" option. So it would be hard for me to take it with any seriousness. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Jun 9 '12 3:57 (UTC)

  Yeah, I would've probably scored less commie if they hadn't asked questions about the rampant sexualization of our society. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'd want the government to make it illegal. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 11:38, 9 June 2012

  And just because I don't want the government to make the rampant sexualization of our society illegal doesn't mean I like it. Seriously, folks, sometimes I just want to watch the Food channel without getting an erection. Is that too much to ask? ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Jun 9 '12 11:58 (UTC)

  It's more the non-erection-inducing material that doesn't suit my fancy. Like being shown a giant, throbbing penis on one of the main channels. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 12:30, 9 June 2012

  I would say "remind me never to come to Belgium," but I intend to come there some day, to sample your multitudinous beers and, hopefully, your women. So could y'all do me a favor and turn your TVs off a few minutes before I get there? ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Jun 9 '12 12:36 (UTC)

  Granted, that only happened once. Though graphic imagery is pretty common around here and you shouldn't expect a warning before they show it. Like a couple days ago, I zapped to one of the main channels and there was a new show on about doctors and stuff. Guess what the first thing is I see? A doctor doing some gross stuff to some guy's penis. Ugh, not ever watching that show again. And in a news segment about war and terrorism and stuff, there was this changing background and at one point it casually changed to that pyramid of nude guys in Abu Ghraib. Or a while ago in a talk show, someone says they went to a zoo and suddenly they show two bonobos going at it, rather violently I might add. In a similar fashion, in this one game show with a round where you're shown a number of images and you gotta say what they're from, they chose the theme "animal penises" once. Sometimes I really wish Belgium had as many fundagelicals as the US. : / —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 13:14, 9 June 2012

  Wow, Belgian TV is like the TV equivalent of Encyclopedia Dramatica ...ok, that was what we in the "biz" call a "cue", Modusoperandi. Where are you... ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sat, Jun 9 '12 13:20 (UTC)

  A-hem. I SAID, "BELGIAN TV IS THE TV EQUIVALENT OF ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA." (taps foot, looks at watch...) ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sun, Jun 10 '12 3:01 (UTC)

  I'm going to post this pic everytime I see ED mentioned in the forums. It's a nice pic of my Pa'. *sniff*, I miss Pa'. Went out for smokes and never came back, he did. Plus, since headers don't appear to be length-limited, I can just ramble on about whatever comes to mind. Which is nice. The rambling, I mean...

  

  ED; large and in charge, probably. I haven't been there in a while. Not since that picture of my butt exploded on the scene. Not literally. (Okay, literally).

  There. Was that so hard? ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sun, Jun 10 '12 3:08 (UTC)

• I've seen economic scores go as far left as -9.00 on NationStates. --Gamma287 ☭Tetяis? 06:16, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
  • Do we even have an NS region? Here's my nation, anyway. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{12:44, 9 June 2012}
    • Good question. Does anyone else play NS? My nation is here. I would have picked a different name, but all the good ones were taken...--Gamma287 ☭Tetяis? 22:38, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• Some of the questions are deliberately obfuscating or omit key areas that would probably shift ones political stance on the spectrum.--Sycamore (Talk) 09:45, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• The only thing that seems wrong with this, is that it puts the political parties way too far from the centre where they really are, and also exagerates the differences between them. As for what I know of Canadian politics, there is little difference between the parties except for the green one. However, between the other three main parties, there is a variation of maybe .5 points at most. --ShabiDOO 15:20, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
• I have no issues with the increasing sexuality in society, so long as it isn't graphic. I mean, there are a ton of ways to create an erotically charged scene without resorting to explicit sex and nudity, and to those scenes I shall forever be indebted.

As for my economical and political stance, it seems I am more of the socialist type, and believe authority is necessary but should be exercised with discretion. Careful discretion. Jawaharlal Nehru seems to have completely brainwashed me with his autobiography, it would seem. --Scofield & The Machine 11:30, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Chart

Here is the link to the current compass map. Feel free to add your name and scores when you are done, and update the link. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{02:41, 9 June 2012}

I started doing the test, and I stopped on the second page already. Really hard questions! Or then there was just too many... Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 16:22, 9 June, 2012 (UTC)

Come on, just do it. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{16:57, 9 June 2012}

I did it, because you asked so nicely! Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 17:31, 9 June, 2012 (UTC)

That was a pretty interesting test. -- Sir Xam Ralco the Mediocre 18:04, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Quite. What was your score? (Add it to the scores above in the Stance section and I'll add it to the Chart myself) →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{18:09, 9 June 2012}

Oh. You added mine too? Thanks! Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 18:13, 9 June, 2012 (UTC)

Anytime. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{18:54, 9 June 2012}

[1]Here's the updated link with my score added. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 02:24, June 10, 2012 (UTC) Link has been updated at the top to reflect everybody's views →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{14:20, 10 June 2012}

What the chart proves

The chat clearly shows that....

Gamma287 is just George Bush in disguise, Sycamore is George Bush, without a Republican House to push through his crazy bills, Shabidoo is the ultimate peace activist, more so than Gandhi, Modusoperandi is Gandhi, Zombiebaron is really just the Dalai Lama in disguise as a Satan-worshiping admin, Socky and Black Flamingo are really the same person, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin are actually who they say they are, Cat the Colourful is a swing voter, High_General_Aimsplode is obviously the best person in history.....he just is. →L A B O R A T O R I E S ^{23:32, 9 June 2012}

Interestingly while it's true to say that my views on economics and gradual shift to more radical politics is obvious from the first time I did the test, we all occupy roughly similar axis on social politics around sex, race etc.--Sycamore (Talk) 07:13, June 10, 2012 (UTC)