Uncyclopedia:VFS/October2019

Candidates for October 2019

Admin

Cassie (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

Score: 8

•  Nom + For. Cassie has shown a strong allegiance to Uncyclopedia and the Uncyc community, and has done much good work including running our Minecraft server and helping me test and redesign site functions. Given her hatred of vandalism, she would make a great addition to the admin team. →L A B O R A T O R I E S 04:04 1 October 2019

  Infinitely banned user. -- The Zombiebaron 18:05, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

•  For. She has been very helpful on the Discord server and with improving the site. User:CandidToaster/sig 14:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. Cassandra is a good individual and he would make a good administrator. She seems like the type of person for the job. —  (talk) (contributions) 19:26:34 2019/10/01 UTC

  While I support Cassie’s nomination, I am temporarily retracting my vote due to VFS rules that allow only one vote per user while there are fewer than three candidates. If a third candidate is nominated then I will reinstate my vote. —  (talk) (contributions) 03:34:28 2019/10/16 UTC

•  For. Good luck Cassie ~ Kakun · talk 19:28, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For + Crat. What's the worst that can happen? — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 21:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. You've earned it. PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 22:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. Her starbucks fueled ambition is on point here --Charitwo (talk) 02:03, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
• For -- The Zombiebaron 03:33, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

  I am retracting my vote. We have had two deoppings so far this year, both of which I believe could have been avoided if we had taken our time handing out userrights. There is no doubt Cassandra is a great help, but I think perhaps we should wait a minimum of a year before opping anyone. Also it should be noted that Aimsplode, the infinitely banned former crat who nommed Cassie, made comments in his log summaries demonstrating his lack of trust for Cassandra, which should really call the reasoning behind this entire nomination into question. -- The Zombiebaron 04:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

• For Seems like a pleasant amicable gal who is well liked. ShabiDOO 03:55, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
• Boner. -- Kip the Egg Talk Works 23:22, Oct. 20, 2019

CandidToaster (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

Score: 6

• Nom and For CandidToaster has shown himself to be a helpful and knowledgeable user since his return, and it can be shown that he cares about the community. Because of this, I believe that he would fit well on the admin team. —  (talk) (contributions) 04:04:30 2019/10/15 UTC
• For (+1) - Even though CandidToaster hasnt been here for long (as he returned to Uncyclopedia quite recently), I feel like he could be a good administrator.  Cassandra  (talk) 04:14 UTC 10.15.2019
• For ~ Kakun · talk 09:21, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 18:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. This oughta be fun. PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 22:49, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
•  Cylon. -- Kip the Egg Talk Works 23:25, Oct. 20, 2019

Y (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

Score: 7

• Nom + For (+1) - Since his return to Uncyclopedia, Y has proven himself to be one of Uncyclopedia's better users, having fixed quite a few of our problems. I believe that Y would fit perfectly on the admin team.  Cassandra  (talk) 01:30 10.17.2019
•  For. Y has put a lot of effort into improving the site, and has even fixed up some of the categories. User:CandidToaster/sig 01:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 01:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. ~ Kakun · talk 04:26, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. Yup ShabiDOO 11:07, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 22:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
•  ¥ -- Kip the Egg Talk Works 23:27, Oct. 20, 2019

Admin-only Runoff Vote

Cassie (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

nominated with a score of 8

Score: 4

•  For. PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 03:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 11:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For -- Kip the Egg Talk Works 13:54, Oct. 30, 2019
•  For. --EMC ^[TALK] 18:38 Oct 30 2019

CandidToaster (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

nominated with a score of 6

Score: 4

•  For. PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 08:35, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 11:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For -- Kip the Egg Talk Works 13:54, Oct. 30, 2019
•  For --EMC ^[TALK] 18:38 Oct 30 2019

Y (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

nominated with a score of 7

Score: 5

•  For. Am I right in that we only get one vote now? ShabiDOO 14:38, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

  Only admins are allowed to vote in the Admin-Only Runoff Vote. -- The Zombiebaron 14:41, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

•  For. Sure, why not? PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 08:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 11:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 12:45, 30 October, 2019 (UTC)
•  For -- Kip the Egg Talk Works 13:54, Oct. 30, 2019
•  Against A truly terrible person. That said, they would make a great addition to the team. --EMC ^[TALK] 18:38 Oct 30 2019

De-Op

Aimsplode (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

Score: 4

•  Nom and For Aimsplode's behavior and attitude, particularly on Discord (the hub of the community these days since IRC is inactive and the community forums are mostly used to establish consensus), are not conducive to creating an open and welcoming community for editors. I encourage others to share their own reasons for voting if they'd like, though they're not compelled to anymore than they're compelled to vote.

1. Don't be a dick.

Aimsplode's behavior shows that he does not think it's important to make others feel welcome, and if they are bothered by his bullying and ignorance, that's apparently their problem. One example of many is gaslighting me as “too sensitive” for repeatedly asking him not to use homophobic slurs. This mentality, which plays out in many of Aimsplode's interactions with others, is seriously at odds with our Holy Commandment: "Don't be a dick." Crats are stewards of the Uncyclopedia community, yet Aimsplode has little respect for other Uncyclopedians, perhaps apart from me when he "complimented" me once by saying I am one of the few people here who isn't retarded (which shows what he thinks about most community members).

2. Administrators should make no decision without reasonable justification. This justification might be shown on a talk page or edit/ban summary, or you might have to ask them for it.

Aimsplode not only deletes the messages of other users on Discord without reasonable justification, even when asked for it, but deletes a ton of his own messages, possibly to obfuscate his own anti-social behavior and evade accountability. This lack of transparency is unacceptable, and that he thinks it's acceptable to do this raises serious concerns about his judgment.

Much of this behavior is not new. It is this exact same capricious and malicious behavior which got Aimsplode banned from the community in the past. Despite many of us giving him the benefit of the doubt that he has “reformed” and trying to hold him accountable in good faith, I'm afraid to say he has eroded the trust afforded to him as a crat and admin. --EMC ^[TALK] 16:06 Oct 1 2019

• Strong For The worst admin in the history of Uncyclopedia. -- The Zombiebaron 16:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Your clear bias here and lack of context in your "!vote" along with your arbitrary abuse of user rights is both childish and unprofessional...regardless of whether Aimsplode is in the "right" or "wrong" here. If you feel so strongly you could at the very least elaborate on your position. That being said, the fact is you did not get a vote for that deop you did it to toy with him. This is not a dictatorship and you are not king and from a neutral point of view you've acted like it both here and on discord. You should honestly be admonished for your behavior. This is a community effort and you can be just as easily de-opped as he can. --Charitwo (talk) 02:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Charitwo: A lot of us are childish and unprofessional, which is why we have votes instead of trying to work out what !votes mean. You're welcome to start another vote about anyone you think merits it. -— Lyrithya ༆ 14:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

• For. He hasn't changed. If anything he's matured to the point where he can more effectively manipulate people to try to get what he wants, and that makes him more shitty to have around than before. Please never ever give him any position of authority ever again. Like if he comes back in ten years and says he's reformed and somebody ops him, I'm gonna get in a user-rights war with that person until one or both of us is banned for op abuse. (EDIT: he's also still a Nazi, just sayin') -User:FajitaTaylor/sig4 20:24, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. I'm not happy about the rate in which we're pumping these deop votes out, and something's clearly rotten in the state of our opping system. Aimsplode has been unbanned, opped, and cratted all within a 10 month period and it seems pretty fucked from a distance to give and then promptly take away someone's userrights in such a short period of time, especially when Aimsplode has spent these 10 months becoming Uncyclopedia's most (and some days only) active user, but things have gotten pretty out of hand. We also probably could've done more early on to prevent this vote, like making it abundantly clear from the get-go that admin rights are purely a set of extra tools and not a free pedestal. Or, bear with me on this... not immediately cratting Adolf Hitler's Secret Santa after a 6 year ban. But I'm not gonna pretend like I'm not partly responsible for bringing this on, because I supported the dude each step of the way. For the first couple months of his return, I was pretty convinced he had grown as a person and wasn't the same antisocial edgelord, but I'm also a naive dipshit and never interacted with him previously. He has made a number of positive contributions, kept everything tidied, and he also has legitimately great plans for the wiki going forward. As with the last deop vote, a lot of my issues boil down to his behavior on places such as our Discord, but I can point to a bunch of examples where my trust has been significantly affected.

• Question: Should an admin have their rights taken away for misbehaving on Discord?

  Generally no. Discord/IRC/social media/whatever ≠ the wiki.

• Should we repeatedly have to ask someone trusted with cratship to not post stolen revenge porn on a regular basis, plaster SS emojis over the server, hurl 2007-era slurs against our users, or ping said faggots unprompted with gory photos of murdered teenagers?

  Common sense would usually dictate no, but apparently yes in this case.

• Should we have to dig up specific Discord ToS entries and outline in explicit detail why Springle the Discord Elf will ban our server for this behavior? And also why most of this stuff is morally and self-explanatorily uncouth, especially for someone who's supposed to set an example, completely regardless of what Springle thinks???

  Same as above, but I guess that just makes us politically correct Tankie faggot SJWs specifically from Mexico City.

He's made several empty promises to knock it off with the revenge porn, but recently created a private jerk off channel in the Discord server invisible to everyone except his friends, which went undiscovered until a couple months ago. The channel is now public and filled with dubiously legal porn, including amateur nude selfies edited side-by-side with clothed pictures somehow acquired from their Facebook profiles, and more recently beach creepshots sourced directly from /pol/ of all places. Elsewhere in the server, I was literally just asked to find the sex tape of a woman who died via overdose last week after an ex-boyfriend leaked her videos online, which was a totally unexpected and refreshing change of pace from the usual daily buttdump of racist memes and MAGA shitposts forwarded straight from the innermost walls of my Kekistani grandma's rectal passage.

Add some pretty serious cases of bullying and general antisocial behavior and you'll find that our Discord and even the wiki are both quickly devolving into a toxic shitheap that users (including myself) are having to pull away from. This behavior isn't even limited to Aimsplode, but he's certainly bringing a lot of it on, and most attempts at getting him to cool it or take a break have gone ignored. Challenging his authority on anything leads to outbursts, because he views himself, an elected crat, as one of Uncyclopedia's rightful owners. Asking him to not break community-established policies on the wiki gets you no where, because he spends most of his free time on Uncyclopedia and is therefor, according to him, The Community™. I warned Aimsplode several weeks ago that a deop vote was likely incoming, which he took as a personal threat, and of course led to him counter-threatening to block my bitch ass if I didn't apologize. In another instance of him butting heads with several admins, he spoke about wanting to take a knife and "slash them down" before our very eyes, which is always what you want to hear from the rightful owner of a comedy wiki. There's no records for most of this because he deletes days worth of messages and even entire channels, and then pretends like nothing has ever happened. I just returned from a month long break and was shocked by the amount of messages deleted, seemingly cover-ups related to this.

It sucks because he's proven that he's perfectly capable of making decent contributions here when he puts actual effort into not being outrageous, but I don't trust him enough to operate freely with his perceived authority or combative stubbornness. If he has actually grown as much as he always claims, I'm not seeing it. Regardless of this vote's outcome, I hope he takes a break and sorts his shit out before editing again.

tl;dr — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 21:26, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

• Neutral. In the fairest way possible, I have the following:

1) Based on what I said above I am also aligning with Supergeeky's take on the entire process here. The way that this has played out is a train wreck and absolute dramafest using personal emotions and not objective judgment. This is a wiki community not an episode of Maury or Jerry Springer. I honestly don't know where the pictures came from, and I have no qualms about whether the channel is nuked or not but again I'm only paying attention mostly on weekends due to work, so this is just my perception here. If anything, if Aimsplode is in the wrong, it should be his discord privileges that are revoked not his wiki privileges because as SG mentioned $anywhere_else =/= the wiki. Address the issues on discord and don't bring drama on the wiki in a pile-on vote at VFS.

2) With regard to the safety of keeping the discord server itself out of trouble, we should look instead at the content itself. If it is truly a concern, perhaps disallow ALL of those NSFW channels just to be safe. For example, if you're calling it "revenge porn" where is the proof versus these pictures just "random amateur nsfw pic" pulled from pornhub or 4chan or wherever? There are some amateur models out there that willingly share this stuff with the intent of it being consumed by the internet at large. And that's just the ones that were manually posted in the research channel. How can you honestly say that some of the NSFW images posted by Dank Memer are legitimate pics and not revenge porn? Think logically not emphatically and look at the bigger picture here.

--Charitwo (talk) 02:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the revenge porn, I'm sure you're aware that the channel was specifically created to share deleted nude photos of a Discord user from another server. A number of users tried explaining why those photos were by definition revenge porn, though Aimsplode's side of the conversation has been completely wiped. This apparently necessitated the creation of a private Uncyclopedia porn club hidden away from "the autists", instead of just taking it to DMs or not sharing revenge porn period.

Even if you wanna argue that the girl in those photos no longer has a say in the matter because she originally uploaded them (which is complete bullshit), there's numerous examples of administrators and regular users asking Aimsplode to stop posting Fappening pictures throughout the server, usually followed by him spamming those channels with Brie Larson's iCloud leaks out of spite and hiding bottom of the barrel Celebrity Jihad edits in channel topics. And no, the fact that Thanos and Jussie Smollett have been edited into her leaked photos doesn't make it any less illegal or fucked up.

This has been going on since at least May and has progressively gotten worse. There's certainly an argument to be made that his creepy Discord behavior is separable from his wiki behavior and that he's done a lot of good for the site (see Dill Kevlar's vote below, though most of the examples have nothing to do with admin rights), and I definitely think we're in desperate need of a separate system for (de)opping Discord users. But I'd also argue that any legal adult, let alone one of our bureaucrats, should know better than to behave this way anywhere on Uncyclopedia territory. And also that his Discord behavior has carried over to the site in a pretty big way, going so far as to delete forums that call his behavior into question. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 12:31, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

•  Against. Per above, there is a lot of criticism on Aim's behavior in Discord. I believe he acted like this prior sysop rights and that sh/would've been taken into consideration.

Frankly, I don't see how this community would benefit from his de-op. I only see benefits of him losing Discord mod rights, which are outweighed by the cons of losing that right. A huge amount of his posts and actions are significant there. Char raises the point about adding "NSFW" sections. I see this as a better alternative to taking away rights (of course while following Discord ToS).

• Facts:
  • 1 metric ton of vandalism reversion.
  • plenty of template improvements.
  • Setup and continued collection on Uncyclopedia:Donate/Log.
  • Welcoming to new users, invited old users back, and has encouraged them to edit.
  • Significantly improved and or restored important pages such as VFS, VFH, VFP, and the main page.
    • Thank you for working on the page in which you are being de-opped from :).

I consider myself a bystander because I only participate in bureaucracy and the Discord. However, I wanted add some additional info. Dǐll Kevlar (talk) 02:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

• Abstain for now I'd like to see how Aimsplode responds here to the concerns that have been brought up (stuff I haven't personally seen). Especially if it is true about rampant homophobia, deleting messages and being snarky with new users. ShabiDOO 03:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
•  For. While much of the discord specifics may or may not be relevant onwiki, I see two very major issues here:
  1. The pattern of behaviour demonstrated - where he simply seems to think he knows best and that others' viewpoints just aren't relevant. This presents not just as a double standard where he has set rules onwiki and on discord unilaterally and then demanded consensus to change them when others objected, but also where specific bevaiour has presented issue and been brought up with him, repeatedly, and yet he has refused to change. For my part, this came up with his constant pmed 'bug' reports in which he would claim that unspecified (or specified, but when I asked, they had no knowledge of it) others were requesting something, or running into a particular issue, and I needed to resolve it immediately. Unfortunately not only were these reports usually vague to the point of inactionability, they were often just plain wrong, premised on incorrect information, or little more than requests for more rights for him - I explained, repeatedly, what he would actually need to provide to create actionable reports or contribute fixes of his own, and he effectively ignored me every time, continuing with the dubious reports and requests, until it got to the point where I had to ask him to just stop pming me about about any issues whatsoever, as I just could not trust him as a source. To his credit, he managed to stop for a time, but more recently apparently forgot and showed up again requesting more rights.
  2. Conduct frankly unbecoming of any representative of the community, let alone one with standing/powers. As others have mentioned, he's a dick. He's unapologetically a dick. Per above, even when asked to stop, he continues being a dick. While much of this indeed surfaces more on discord, and we probably wouldn't even care if it were just targetted at other admins or whatever, it is hardly limited to discord, and seems rather to come out most against new users and others with less power and clout in the community, to particularly detrimental effect. We need to present a far more welcoming community if we have any hopes of, well, retaining any meaningful community, and given his approach is to do the exact opposite and he simply does not listen or learn, this is absolutely not someone to whom we should be giving or retaining with advanced rights.
  3. Lack of understanding of long-standing Uncyclopedia practices. Again, not necessarily an issue on its own, but coupled with the above, and how poorly he reacts to feedback and criticism, presents a very major issue, and just isn't funny. In particular, he seems to have an issue with holding votes and heeding consensus. Took it very personally when someone started a forum questioning him as an admin, and seems to think that's no place for such votes. You know how many times I've been deopped by random forums? I don't, because it's happened more than once and it turns out I can't count as high as a fish.

  -— Lyrithya ༆ 14:39, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

  On second thought, based on the revenge porn, the harassment and apparent grooming of minors in private chats, the constant lies and refusal to improve even his public behaviour, I'ma move that we take it a step further and revoke all access and reinstate the original ban. -— Lyrithya ༆ 17:03, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

• This vote is no longer necessary as Aimsplode has been infinitely banned from both our wiki and our Discord. -- The Zombiebaron 17:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

  Zombie, for transparancy sake, could you inform us why he was unilaterally infinitely banned? I don't see an explanation in the block log. Did you close the vote or was there some other reason? ShabiDOO 14:22, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

  This was not a unilateral decision. Aimsplode's infinite ban reflects the will of the entire admin team, as it says on his userpage. We do not plan to share the specific details we have here on the wiki (to protect his victims) but if you join Discord we can share what we know with you there privately. -- The Zombiebaron 15:38, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

  Oh my bloody christ, what a fucking scum-dumpster (if this is true). It's painful to hear that someone used our comedy site for such villanous shittery. Report him if possible. ShabiDOO 16:56, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

  At this point there is absolutely no doubt that it is true. We will be filing a report to the appropriate law enforcement agencies ASAP. -- The Zombiebaron 19:02, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

  This is the second troll to be cast into outer darkness this year, following the Alden Loveshade/Miley Spears creepshow. Aimsplode remains banned on the Spoon. No way back in there either. RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 14:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) – contribs (new • del) • edit-count • block (rem • list) • all logs • groups • checkuser

Score: 3

•  Nom and For Llwy-ar-lawr was re-opped back in March as part of our initiative to better our relations with the then-recently booted uncyclopedia.wikia.com community, who were in the process of voting to move to this server. Despite being the subject of a prior deop forum and having almost no edits in the years since then, she was blanket-opped as a show of good faith alongside the rest of their admins (including, as we later found out, a pedophile sockmaster who had almost entirely overtaken their community in the years since we left Wikia). As Llwy never accepted her re-nomination, this vote probably isn't necessary. However, the previous deop forum was prematurely closed when she voluntarily deopped herself, technically giving her the ability to request her user rights back at any point. So in light of recent events, let's make Round 2 official and irreversible.

Llwy-ar-lawr had a history of being very abusive with users back in 2014, but she was also undeniably provoked by certain members of our IRC chat in the months leading up to the previous deop vote. This made it difficult to reprimand her, and especially with certain issues she spoke of in her personal life. After leaving the wiki in 2014, she began stalking various users who had voted in favor of deopping her, and wrote lengthy five-figure word analyses of their writing habits and edit summaries, the times and days of the week in which they were most active, and even collected off-wiki profiles and pictures. These dox files were posted to her personal (but also very public) website for no particular reason, where they remained for at least a year or two after she left Uncyclopedia and joined uncyclopedia.wikia.com, until she finally limited access to her website at the time. This wasn't exactly new behavior, as she had been warned previously against posting a hit-piece aimed at Spike, written in the form of a mainspace article about his role in delinking us from Wikipedia post-move. We wanted to avoid devolving Uncyclopedia into a series of personal attack articles, a la Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Five years later, it was assumed she had moved past her vendettas against the users who voted against her, especially since several of us reached out via email to apologize for wrongdoings. Certain problems came up with a few of the uncyclopedia.wikia.com administrators back in May that fucked up any plans of repairing our relations, despite wasting a significant amount of time, energy, and especially money to accommodate their needs on this server, though none of that is really worth repeating here. As a result of these problems, Llwy has resumed doxxing members of the Uncyclopedia community this past year. Personal info such as my real name was shared (now redacted and hidden) on Illogicopedia, and more lengthy analyses of users are being posted again to her new website (the home of her Uncyclopedia fork), with one user study having a very in-depth section dedicated to each and every wiki they've edited, what their offline interests are, how often they use singles quotes vs. double quotes, and even their apostrophe usage. At one point in her analysis of this user, she writes about herself "The characterization of me as "scummy" and "shady" reveals more about how [username redacted for privacy] thinks (or what they were told) than what my motives were." This shows a frightening lack of self-awareness. I'm still very sorry for contributing to these problems with our community that continue to plague her, and I had hoped the March vote would lead to a do-over, but I'm also not comfortable putting up with this level of continued stalker behavior from even a passive administrator. Regardless of whether or not this vote prompts Llwy-ar-lawr to voluntarily resign a second time, I think it's necessary to see this vote through and make the deop official, so that Llwy can move on and we can prevent this from ever happening again. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 00:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

• I'm keeping the nom, but striking my vote for personal reasons. I maintain everything I said above about Llwy's behavior being obsessive, but there's basically 0% chance of either Romartus or Llwy editing this site again, and I'm not very keen on perpetuating these issues with Llwy and the .ca fork by being an asshole about what they've done, especially when this wiki was in pretty much their exact situation for the better part of a decade. I hope these people are able to find whatever form of success they're looking for, hopefully without being openly deceitful and trying to smother us again in the process. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 11:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

• For I really cannot fathom what wrongdoing we inflicted upon Llwy-ar-lawr that has lead to her holding a grudge against us for this long. We've tried to apologize, and our whole community extended her the olive branch in March, but instead she decided to secretly go behind everybody's backs and waste our technical team's time because she is incapable of reporting bugs and trusting us (as detailed in her blog). With the evidence I've seen today of her stalking and public doxxing I really think she should be banned, that sort of retribution is way over the line and is not welcome here. -- The Zombiebaron 02:40, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

• For Llwy-ar-lawr's behavior, both during her original tenure as an administrator and since then, are unbecoming of any individual who should have any sort of power or influence on this wiki. I find it hard to believe that, even though we did decide to give admin rights to nearly all of the Wikia admins as a sign of good faith, she seemed to slip through the cracks. I understand that some users can mature after they return from hiatus (or participation on a competing wiki), we need to be very wary of allowing these users to come and be handed admin rights straight out of the gate. Obviously hindsight is keen, but I am amazed that we let a user with a history of stalking, censoring others' good faith comments and edits, and making suicide threats to come back and accede to this position this quickly. On top of this, because of the manner in which the spoon admins subverted their own community consensus, lied to our sysadmins, and continue to participate in much of our local drama, I personally think that we should deop all of the spoon admins, save for Simsilikesims, who has been perhaps the only spoon admin to have made positive contributions to this site. However, I'll leave it to users with more knowledge on the subject and more sway towards the issue to try and make that happen should they so choose. Unfortunately, because of the vendetta which she seems to hold towards fork users as a whole, especially as seen through her public doxing, I believe that Llwy-ar-lawr needs to be deopped and banned for a very long time. —  (talk) (contributions) 04:09:57 2019/10/19 UTC

• Strong For - Someone with a history of illegal behavior, as per User:Y, shouldn't be allowed here. With power comes responsibility, and Llwy hasn't used that power in a responsible way.  Cassandra  (talk) 02:17 UTC 10.20.2019

• Semi-against I've never had a particular problem with her. There was some drama and moments of concern but also a lot of fun, good work, support for the site and a net constructive presence on the site. Though I'm not sure how things would work as a substantial number of users here can no longer trust her and there are many running issues post merger-fail. I understand the concerns people have with her but I honestly don't think they were things that couldn't be worked out. Though, that would probably have to start first by being a little more honest about the merger schenanigans. ShabiDOO 10:59, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

• For - Very suspicious and petty behavior, plus her role in the merger debacle. PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 23:02, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
• Weak for. De-op on the condition that she not be banned from anything other than Discord. Llwy-ar-lawr was against the merge with this site from the beginning - she stated to our email group that she did not trust various people on this site, and did not want to work with them in any way. Llwy logging people's words and actions on a public website is news to me. (Was she inviting people to dispute her account of their words and actions? If not, what could be the possible purpose of this? Besides, if disputed, any public record would need to reflect the dispute to be accurate, and really this kind of thing should be handled in private journals, then handed to professionals and attorneys if and when warranted.) I don't know that she gave any time frame to anyone of getting back to anyone regarding the site that was set up here on Uncyclomedia's servers. I don't know if anyone other than myself promised anything to anyone, so I have no idea if anybody lied to anyone else, aside from the public vote. I apologize to everyone here that I was so busy with my full-time job that I simply was unable to follow up myself in my spare time. I recommend that she stay off the Discord for her own good and everyone else's, since avoiding exposure to anyone she finds toxic there would be useful to her, and to anyone she may find toxic by way of temporary misunderstanding. Besides, things are very not SFW or PC there, even in the so-called safe zone, as I myself found to my dismay. It is like trying to tell certain people you meet on the street to stop cursing as a regular part of their speech - it just doesn't work, avoiding them, or learning to ignore the cussing, does. I don't know that she should be banned from editing Uncyclopedia in written form, since there is a permanent record of almost everything here. I think that instead, she will find it useful to simply avoid editing here without being forcibly banned since she does not want to work with various people here. I hope this vote provides some insight. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 03:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

• For what it's worth, I doubt you'll find anyone from this wiki who blames you in any way for what went down. From what a few of us have gathered after reading through some of .ca's email list, it's pretty obvious you and your husband were being manipulated and lied to just as much as we were during this, so everything's cool.

Also for what it's worth, the Discord server recently underwent significant changes as part of the cleanup from a certain former admin's ban. Pretty much everything is strictly SFW and organized, and the server as a whole is a lot less toxic now. I'm not suggesting Llwy (who's currently idling in the server) or anyone else from the .ca fork would find it to their liking, but I just felt it was worth pointing out for future reference that Discord is back to being a pretty welcoming place, and not the junkyard it devolved into earlier this year. — SG1|Hereish ^{[citation needed]} 11:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

•  Against. --EMC ^[TALK] 18:55 Oct 30 2019

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• Nom + For. As many other users have noted many times on this thread, we decided to give admin rights to all active Wikia admins as a sign of good faith in hopes of eventually merging the two sites. As all of you know, this merger did not take place, so, as I stated in my vote to deop Llwy-ar-lawr, I believe the point of that vote is now moot. Unfortunately, despite Romartus' positive history on this site pre-fork, which included writing numerous featured articles and being a vigilant user in general, his conduct as it pertains to this site behooves us to deop him. For some reason, Romartus continues to lie about the facts pertaining to the merger, and seems to spearhead a loosely organized campaign to delegitimize us as "the real Uncyclopedia". The fact is that Romartus backstabbed this site's technical team and lied to them while ignoring consensus on important issue on a vote on a wiki in which he was an active admin. We can't let someone who administrates another wiki in that fashion have admin rights here. On top of this, Romartus is either unaware that he lies about the incidents of the merger, or he simply does not care, seeing as whenever the facts are presented to him, sidesteps the allegation of lying to our sysadmins and subverting community census and instead denies another claim. We cannot keep giving rights to these manipulative users because we feel like it. Let's make sure this doesn't happen again. —  (talk) (contributions) 01:17:54 2019/10/20 UTC

• For. -  Cassandra  (talk) 02.20 UTC 10.20.2019

• For Was a great guy before the split, really enjoyed his presence, had fun with him and trusted him. But I cannot forgive him for letting the spoon become such a complete toxic hell hole. There is no reason for him to be an admin here. ShabiDOO 10:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

• For As per above, it is bizarre that ignoring clear community consensus hasn't gotten Romartus deopped on UncycloWikia, but that is exactly the sort of anti-wiki behaviour that this deop vote process was built to address. -- The Zombiebaron 17:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

•  For. He doesn't appear to have any interest in being part of this community, so admin rights would be superfluous. User:CandidToaster/sig 18:22, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

• Strong for - Benedict Arnold isn't welcome here. PF4Eva, the President of Imagination Vote for me My tax returns 23:08, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

• For - "Real Uncyclopedia" my zit-fested ass. -- Kip the Egg Talk Works 23:21, Oct. 20, 2019

• De-crat - I doubt he will actually do anything with his admin abilities, but I think he will agree he does not need to actually be a bureaucrat on this site. I would, however, like to see him retain adminship. He was going it alone with Spike basically on the spoon while I found myself with a suddenly full-year job instead of a seasonal one. We eventually were able to bring on more admins at the spoon, but when only two admins are active on the site, it is generally not a good idea for one to disagree openly with the other on policy, especially if the other one is more active on the site. It is a big adjustment from the culture of the spoon to the culture on the fork. As less and less people are active on the spoon, active users on the spoon tend to get added to the email list. As a result, major changes to policy on the spoon tend to get consensus from the email list. It is a safeguard against sockpuppetry, since it is harder (or at least a lot more time consuming) to come up with a new email for each puppet, especially given the double authentication certain email servers now require. I don't know what happened or why Romartus did not respond to emails sent to him. But I have a hard time believing he actually lied. Understand, our email list is to the spoon what Discord is to the fork.-- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 04:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

• Strongest Possible For because we never should have opped him in the first place. And I don't just mean here, I mean ever. In the history of the world. The Woodburninator Minimal Effort ™ 01:35, 31 October 2019 (UTC)