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Editing the Hall o' Shame crashes my browser every time I try to find a specific name, article, word, character, or press the letter "F" to initiate the search. An edit summary from Kip indicates similar troubles.

Code junkies, fix. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 17:36, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Start VFDing featured articles. Problem solved. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 17:40 Mar 23, 2011

Really though - it's easy enough to make each user's row a subpage, but somewhat more difficult to figure out how to sort them. Manual sorting really isn't a solution here. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 17:46 Mar 23, 2011

Increase the amount of articles you need to get into the hall of shame? Like to seven, or something? --Black Flamingo 23:38, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

...which will inevitably lead us to this point yet again. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 23:42 Mar 23, 2011

Yeah but that won't be until the future. --Black Flamingo 23:54, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

You can't be serious I hope. Exactly half of the Hall of Shame members have 7 or more, the other half of the members have the required three and above. On this "problem" (and I didn't know you could search for a particular word??) Puppy came up with a way to separate each user and made the page look pretty good, except he had a big "edit" button on each one which made it ugly, but then he did one without the "edit" button which was fine. O, wait. Why not put one more edit button somewhere down the list. Would that solve the thing you need solving? Aleister 00:05 24-3-'11

That wouldn't solve the changing the order issue. That said, there are less than 500, right? Why not further our attempts to kill Wikia's servers and use DPL? 1234 ~ 00:09, 24 March 2011

Nobody's against DPL here, it's just a matter of how to order it using DPL. I don't know how to accomplish that. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 00:11 Mar 24, 2011

Easy way: turn them into subpages. Hard way: do it by header or something and hope the clueless people don't mess it up. Sensible way: no idea. 1234 ~ 00:17, 24 March 2011

Subpages will sort by username, not by number of features. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 00:29 Mar 24, 2011

If it's set up to do that, sure. Are you saying we should? 1234 ~ 00:33, 24 March 2011

Well, one way of doing it would to give everyone a subpage and have the primary HOS page just be a list of everyone and the number of features they have. But that would be bad since the subpages could become easy targets for vandals. Plus, the page is going to get bloated and near uneditable no matter what. It's all a matter of time. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 00:43, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I removed myself from it. That should solve everything except the ego-stroking. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 00:13, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I removed some user called 'Athyria', as well, since it hasn't even written anything. But that should also help. 1234 ~ 00:17, 24 March 2011

I copied and pasted my section in. A couple of times. Screw you all. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 01:59, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Lollipop has an idea

We should have a vote for 50 features that will go each month. All users could vote. And we'll vote for the features that deserve to go. -- Lollipop - CONTRIBS - WRITINGS - SHOP - Now adopting! 02:03, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

How about we not come up with ideas that only serve to complicate the wiki further, and instead tackle this as it is - a technical problem. Someone turn on the Spangsignal. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 03:17 Mar 24, 2011

How about we create a voting structure where we randomly choose 10 users and vote to see who gets a 13.5% share of voting, and then the next two will get a 8.2% share, and the others will be banned from voting. But who administers it all. Hmmm, Ill set up a new wiki that will determind who decides the share percentage, where all uncyclopedians have to vote or abstain for the right to then propose percentages and then submit that to the subvote committee which I nominate spike will be incharge of. WHO IS FOR IT!

FOR. --ShabiDOO 21:40, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Here's the deal

What we can do is split up the Hall of Shame into individual subpages, each subpage being the literal row of the larger table. So the Hall of Shame will still have the top and bottom of the table, but each row will actually be an included subpage. When someone wants to add an article they'll edit that user's subpage and manually add the article, and if this changes the order of stuff on the main HoS page it'll still be their responsibility to re-order it.

What we can't do is split it up into subpages and include them via DPL. Mostly because - okay, entirely because - DPL won't let us list the users by number of features, which is how it's ordered now. And this isn't just me throwing my hands up in the air and saying "it's impossible," it's actually stated in the manual:

“ DPL allows you to define the sort order of its output as is explained below.

In some cases this is not sufficient, however. Think of the following example: You create a list of pages which use a certain template. You want to show the value of the first parameter each page uses when calling that template. This can easily be done with the include feature of DPL. If you now wanted the output to be sorted by the value of that parameter DPL could not help because it had to analyse all articles before finding those parameter values.

”

—DPL parameters: Controlling output order

And of course, if we split it up into subpages, this will only make editing the page easier - it will still be a gigantic page, which is still going to crash TKF's browser. We might have to rethink how the Hall of Shame works entirely, possibly by only having a list of users on the main page with links to subpages that show their featured articles. Not sure. But just telling you what is and isn't possible. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 04:42 Mar 24, 2011

Screw TKF. What's he using, Netscape? Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 05:16, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I still think you're wrong, but until I figure out what in tarnation is going on with this category, I can't even say anything. But seriously, you just don't know how to do it right! You're a failure of a workaround-oriented programmer, a failure! 1234 ~ 05:26, 24 March 2011

Never mind, Lyrithya found a workaround. DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • critchat) 05:50 Mar 24, 2011

Except for the slight problem in which it apparently doesn't work on Uncyclopedia... bloody hell. 1234 ~ 06:23, 24 March 2011

Vote for the subpages idea

•  For. I like it. -- Lollipop - CONTRIBS - WRITINGS - SHOP - Now adopting! 00:54, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Do we really need to have a vote on a purely technical concern? If it works, it will be implemented on the page itself and everything shall remain the same as it was from the front, but one will go about editing it differently. If it doesn't work, it will not be implemented on the page itself and everything shall remain exactly the same as it was. 1234 ~ 00:59, 25 March 2011

•  Against. Until that thing works without messing up the look of the page. By the way, the page loads fine on my computer, and I use one of those old univac's (see the bottom of my user page, that's actually me and my computer in a pic taken about a month ago). Aleister 1:00 25-3-'11
• Against Like I said when I suggested the idea of the subpages, they are an easy target for vandalism. Getting rid of HOS all together is a much better idea. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 01:26, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

  Ah, good point, vandalism within the hall of shame may be tempting (and you would know about that, vandal) and harder to detect if someone sneaks in an edit while the unsignpost is being delivered or things are being huffed in large numbers. It seems this change is being done because the page takes a long time to load for some people. Maybe those who have that problem can just ask an admin to add their edit, that seems easier than putting up 125 subpages. Aleister 1:34 25-3-'11

  Sorry, what? How would that be any easier than vandalising the one page? They'll all still be displaying on the page, so vandalism would be as obvious as it ever was, perhaps more so due to the template formatting added to the table formatting, which is already rather easy to mess up. Watchlists aren't really that helpful even with it one one page, either, as subsequent edits hide things, the way most folks have them set up; when I removed myself, folks didn't always notice until a few days (and several edits) later, for instance. But a history page covering the entire thing should catch anything looking at the main thing doesn't; I could easily make a page to list, say, the 20 most recent changes on everything in the subspace...

  Seriously, why don't you just VFD the Hall of Shame, already? 1234 ~ 22:07, 25 March 2011

  Because I see I wouldn't have the support to get it deleted. Duh.

  And secondly, any subtle vandalism would definitely go unnoticed. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 22:11, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

  I'll just watch the subpages. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 22:13, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

  And you won't always be here. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 22:14, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

  Subtle vandalism already goes unnoticed. Incidentally, you're doing that wrong. Both of you. 1234 ~ 22:15, 25 March 2011

  My girlfriend also says I do it wrong... Thanks Lyrithya. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 22:16, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, I'm not meaning like the subpage notion Dexter described above in which it just links to them. What I've been referring to is a DPL solution - the main thing is a DPL include of all the subpages, ordermethod=number of features. This way the overall thing would update whenever one updates their individual one, but without loading any overall, and the format, minimum number, etc could be updated for all of them with just a few central tweaks, too, as it'd all be on templates. 1234 ~ 22:24, 25 March 2011