Forum:A rebuttal to something Mordillo said like three months ago

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So, Mordillo posted a thread like three months ago where he opined that awards and groups and projects had become a problem for us. I honestly couldn't disagree more. My view on awards and groups and projects is: the more, the merrier.

Look, some people simply see Uncyclopedia as sort of a game. Like WoW or something. Yeah, it's a competition. You put in the hours, and you're rewarded with various forms of recognition.

You know who sees Uncyclopedia largely that way? Me. Yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit it: I'm here largely because I want to win every award. I want to be at the top of UN:HS. I want to have the most in-depth Pee Reviews. I want to win WotY. I want to sweep the fucking PLS. I want to have the most-linked-to article on the site. I want one of my articles to go full-on viral and rack up five million hits. I want people to fucking bow down to the awesomeness that is Hyperbole's writing.

Am I a douchebag for wanting that? Probably. Hell, absolutely. Is it bad for the project? Well, this is my opinion, but no. Not just no, but fuck no. I've written dozens of good articles. I've helped dozens of people improve dozens of their articles. I've sat there reverting vandalism for four hours just hoping someone would notice and throw a "kudos" template on my page or nominate me for UotM. The fact that I've come in here, all douchey, getting douche all over the place, saying "Love me! Love me! I crave and demand attention!" is actually good for the project.

Not every Uncyclopedian is motivated by awards and recognition, but some of us are. There are a couple new Uncyclopedians who I won't name here who obviously want to rack up serious recognition fast. They want the feature noms; they want the awards. You know what the result is for the rest of us? Good articles. Good Pee Reviews. Seriously quality work.

Yes, there are occasionally Uncyclopedians (again, nameless ones) who want to win awards and don't want to do any work. Well, fuck 'em. They don't really hurt anything. They just don't win the awards.

Can voting pages be distracting? Sure, I guess. But they can also be highly motivating. Yes, I know Mordillo has expressed several times that he's not a big fan of VFG, although (and I'm grateful for this) he stops short of shutting it down entirely. But, you know what? Even VFG has inspired me to write. I wouldn't ever have written Boobshake, except that I wanted something to slap up on VFG. Maybe not my best article ever, but it's not trash. It's also inspired another Uncyclopedian to do a lot of revising; every time one of his articles fails VFG, he's fine-tuning it, trying to get it onto the list.

Also, consider this. What if Uncyclopedia were just a big blank wiki with a little note "This is a comedy wiki. Write funny stuff." What if there was no forum, no awards, no voting pages. You know what this place would be? It'd be worse than Illogicopedia. It'd be worse than 2005.

tl;dr: keep voting, folks, and don't be ashamed that awards mean something to you. It benefits us all. pillow talk 19:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You know we shut down Whore of the month right? Mr N

20:05, Aug 27

Of course. I sensed a great disturbance, as though a million prostitutes cried out at once and were suddenly silenced.

pillow talk 20:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You might want to read again what I said . ~

20:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Er... okay, I read it again. It looked familiar, because I had just read it.

pillow talk 20:36, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

In that case I think you missed my meaning. I didn't say awards are bad. I said the fact that no one is doing anything but striving for awards is bad, alongside with extensive whoring and over maintenance. ~

21:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I didn't disagree with everything you said. Far from it. What I disagree with is: 1) "Crack down on all whoring" - whoring, I think, is absolutely necessary to the continued existence of this site. Yes, it requires moderation. 2) "No new awards or votes please, we have too much of them." Disagree. New awards and votes keep people interested. It's basically the reason Mafia Wars is so much more popular than Mob Wars - there's always new stuff to accomplish. (Hope someone has any clue what I'm talking about there). 3) That it's somehow a problem that so many users spend so much time on maintenance. There's just so much fucking maintenance to be done! I wish we had ten times as much maintenance effort, honestly. 4) I don't think it's really that much of a problem that some people show up concerned with awards and do nothing else. We tend to ignore those people, and they tend to drift away of their own accord. It's not like they'd start writing in the absence of the awards.

pillow talk 21:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh my god. Just shut up and masturbate. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 21:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not like I'm the only one interested in writing a couple words on this subject, you know. Fap fap fap,

pillow talk 21:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is. And quit looking at my sister. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 21:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, fine, Dexter. Just to make you happy: balls balls, poop poop, penis wiener buttcrack dick dick dick. There ya go.

pillow talk 21:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

What is wrong with you? Are you a 12 year old!? That's not funny. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 21:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

heh heh balls. My first edit in about 2 months. Totally worth it. dick. --Sir DJ ~ Irreverent

01:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's only a problem when people get emotional over the awards (take them personally, you know?), or when people who aren't great writers get crazy over the awards. I used to think the award system was a failure, but reading this kinda changed my mind. Hi Hyperbole, Mordillo, Mr. N, yada yadda! Le Cejak • <20:39 Aug 27, 2009>

Why does anyone care? MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 20:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia isn't about you, man. It's about <insert name here>. Seriously! Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 21:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I more-or-less agree with everything Hyperbole just said. Competition, by and large, is a good thing, and makes us strive to accomplish stuff we normally wouldn't give a shit about. So yeah. Rock on, Hyperbole. —Unführer Guildy Ritter von Guildensternenstein 21:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I still think writing is more fun just for the sake of writing. I've written pages that I never expect to get recognized for--things like Telephone pole, UnTunes:ZOMBIES!, Uncyclopedia:Wikipedia, and Red Bull were penned mostly to satisfy my own weird urges. If something I write does wind up featured it's still pretty awesome--your work is on the front page of a pretty widely-viewed site, and it's nice to be recognized--but at the end of the day, it's not why I do it. If Uncyclopedia disappeared tomorrow, what would you guys do? I'd probably start a blog somewhere and write stuff for that once a week, or maybe even just write stuff in word and leave it on my hard drive. I write because I like doing it, and if I ever stopped liking it I'd probably go somewhere else on the internet. - T.L.B. WotM, UotM, FPrize, AotM, ANotM, PLS, UN:HS, GUN 21:52, Aug 27

So, you'd start using MySpace again? MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 21:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

What do I need your space for? I've got plenty of my own. - T.L.B. WotM, UotM, FPrize, AotM, ANotM, PLS, UN:HS, GUN 22:20, Aug 27

There's somewhere else on the internet? Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 22:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Haven't you heard the legends? The wanderers speak of a great empire to the east, and warring tribes to the south. - T.L.B. WotM, UotM, FPrize, AotM, ANotM, PLS, UN:HS, GUN 22:20, Aug 27

What about the North, eh? Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 23:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Nothing much up there, only Canada. - T.L.B. WotM, UotM, FPrize, AotM, ANotM, PLS, UN:HS, GUN 23:12, Aug 27

Beauty. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 00:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

To respond to what Led said up there, I also really enjoy writing (and have written numerous other things simply for my own sake), but getting recognized/acclaimed for doing so is a nice, vindictive feeling, especially from/against other writers. Would I still write if I weren't recognized for doing so? Yes, absolutely. Would I write as often, or write as well? No, probably not. —Unführer Guildy Ritter von Guildensternenstein 22:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait, vindictive? Your motivation to write and get awards is revenge? What, did an award kill your parents or something? --Pleb SYNDROME _{CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!)} 00:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I actually didn't mean for that to be taken that way (probably should've picked a better word), but now that you mention it, yes, yes it is. —Unführer Guildy Ritter von Guildensternenstein 00:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Per Hyperbole. --Mn-z 17:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but what does Bukowski think?

if it doesn't come bursting out of you
in spite of everything,
don't do it.
unless it comes unasked out of your
heart and your mind and your mouth
and your gut,
don't do it.
if you have to sit for hours
staring at your computer screen
or hunched over your
typewriter
searching for words,
don't do it.
if you're doing it for money or
fame,
don't do it.
if you're doing it because you want
women in your bed,
don't do it.
if you have to sit there and
rewrite it again and again,
don't do it.
if it's hard work just thinking about doing it,
don't do it.
if you're trying to write like somebody
else,
forget about it.
if you have to wait for it to roar out of
you,
then wait patiently.
if it never does roar out of you,
do something else.

if you first have to read it to your wife
or your girlfriend or your boyfriend
or your parents or to anybody at all,
you're not ready.

don't be like so many writers,
don't be like so many thousands of
people who call themselves writers,
don't be dull and boring and
pretentious, don't be consumed with self-
love.
the libraries of the world have
yawned themselves to
sleep
over your kind.
don't add to that.
don't do it.
unless it comes out of
your soul like a rocket,
unless being still would
drive you to madness or
suicide or murder,
don't do it.
unless the sun inside you is
burning your gut,
don't do it.

when it is truly time,
and if you have been chosen,
it will do it by
itself and it will keep on doing it
until you die or it dies in you.

there is no other way.

and there never was.

--EMC^[TALK] 22:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you were going to post this one

i drank too much today
i drink too much every day
my publisher said
i could not have ten dollars
to buy more whiskey
unless I wrote another poem.
he is a bastard.
here is your poem, asshole.

pillow talk 23:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Touché; that one is pertinent, but so is this one

if i won the lottery,
i would probably buy
two new livers:
one for back up
after killing the new one
in celebration of my new liver.
my liver hurts.
don't do it.

if you write on Uncyclopedia
for the e-fame and glory
you have low standards.
there is no glory to be had there.
RIP TED KENNEDY.
don't do it.
--EMC^[TALK] 01:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Announcement

I liek awards. Staircase CUN^t 23:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course it is!

Modus, you're right, it is about me! But my value is in inspiring the lesser lights here to strive! And yes, the awards offered do help, too! --Clemens177 17:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Clemens, I didn't even realize you'd come back until just now. And after getting us in trouble with the White House, even ;)

pillow talk 18:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Dat's ri-ite, bi-otch! I's de only one de White House feared enough to censor!! *grins* --Clemens177 23:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

oh, look, gerry seems to have walked by

zombiebaron. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 06:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I am constantly writing articles

I wanted Uncyclopedia to have 500,000 articles. Mordillo said that people should stop worrying about improving the articles and write more articles, which contradicts the call for deleting useless articles. I suggest that we should write more articlkes so by 2012, we will have 500,000 articles. |Si Plebius Dato' Joe ang Pinoy CUN|IC Kill | 09:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)