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Recently there seems to have been some discussion about abstains and comments on VFH. How about doing all the comments and abstains on the talkpage and putting something like Please put any comments on this nomination's talkpage in the Comments box. Abstains would automatically be accompanied with some short, or not so short, comment as putting a commentless abstain on a discussion page would just be stupid. Consequently, the drama template could also be changed to something like "Please keep all your comments civil, dammit!" instead of the current "As of now, you are only allowed to vote For, Against or Pie. People who post any further comments at this page will be banned!" (since well, all the commenting and discussing would already be going on at a discussion page). Is this a good idea? A bad idea? Please don't kill me? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 14:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Nobody cares about talk pages anyway, so sounds nice. -- Jack Phoenix, professional killer admin (Whine?) • (Wikia ♥ ads) 16:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I would be fine with making people stop commenting on voting pages. Usually it just gives them the opportunity to say something dumb or reveal that they missed the point of the article. I'd probably prefer to just not know if that's the case. - T.L.B. WotM, UotM, FPrize, AotM, ANotM, PLS, UN:HS, GUN 16:52, Aug 11

Comment MOAR RULES PLZ. But srsly, I agree with my esteemed colleague Mr. Phoenix here. Don't discussions on comments usually end up going to talk pages anyways? If a discussion needs to take place, most people know that the talk page is the appropriate place to do it, and if not then somebody needs to redirect them (as they sometimes do). This is not an issue. Carry on with your pathetic lives. --EMC ^[TALK] 21:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Um, what? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

He said to carry on with your pathetic life. Now carry on, dammit! Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 22:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you're confusing your life with mine. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 23:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

People, please! Both of your lives are pathetic. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 06:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Now, that didn't make sense at all. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 10:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Really? Did you translate it into MOglish first? Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 10:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Mowgli? Were you raised in the jungle or something? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 11:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Obviously;

Look for the bare necessities

The simple bare necessities

Forget about your worries and your strife

I mean the bare necessities

Old Mother Nature's recipes

That brings the bare necessities of life

Wherever I wander, wherever I roam

I couldn't be fonder of my big home

The bees are buzzin' in the tree

To make some honey just for me

When you look under the rocks and plants

And take a glance at the fancy ants

Then maybe try a few

The bare necessities of life will come to you

They'll come to you!

Look for the bare necessities

The simple bare necessities

Forget about your worries and your strife

I mean the bare necessities

That's why a bear can rest at ease

With just the bare necessities of life

Now when you pick a pawpaw

Or a prickly pear

And you prick a raw paw

Next time beware

Don't pick the prickly pear by the paw

When you pick a pear

Try to use the claw

But you don't need to use the claw

When you pick a pear of the big pawpaw

Have I given you a clue ?

The bare necessities of life will come to you

They'll come to you!

So just try and relax, yeah cool it

Fall apart in my backyard

Cause let me tell you something little britches

If you act like that bee acts, uh uh

You're working too hard

And don't spend your time lookin' around

For something you want that can't be found

When you find out you can live without it

And go along not thinkin' about it

I'll tell you something true

The bare necessities of life will come to you. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 11:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

So is this okay then? Is some admin gonna implement it? Does anybody care? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 10:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Let's do this

Keeping with what Socky's proposal is going for, but changing it a bit, how about we add the following to the VFH rules:

“ Only actual For or Against votes may be placed in those voting sections. All comments which are not votes should be made in the comments box only. Any comment made in either the For or Against sections which is not a vote may be removed from the page. ”

I think that does what we want, and should not stop most people using VFH as they always have. What I want to reduce is the practice of people commenting under negative votes and starting a load of old nonsense. This will also keep the voting sections free from clutter which is not voting. Note it says "may be removed". If it's a funny comment in the for box who is going to care, but... Unless someone gives me a good reason not to add this rule I will add it in a few days per UN:N. MrN 16:29, Aug 15

Well it just smells a bit like censorship in my opinion. I don't honestly see what's wrong with long discussions - even arguments - on the voting page other than they look a bit ugly. Perhaps it would be better to use the talk page, but, few people but the author, maybe the nominator, bother to watch the pages themselves. Instead of remove I think you should say moved to talk page.    Orian57    Talk   16:37 15 August 2009

We actually have that already in the rules, remember - "THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION PAGE". I just say - enforce that with bans, and people will get use to it. I don't think we need to add more rules. ~ 16:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Yea, it does say that. What I'm suggesting is some clarification (for me anyway). For me it would be a lot more clear cut if this rule was added and everyone agreed to it. I could then warn people who ignored it (pointing them to the rule) and then ban them if they ignored it again. I think a lot of people have never read the rules, and I don't really want to block someone if they did not know it was not allowed. But... I think if this was enforced I think it would cut down a lot of the drama we get on VFH. If people still want to comment they can use the comments section, or the talk page of the user. If they can't be bothered to do that they probably had nothing useful to say, so we don't want to hear it. Orian: Per Boomer ;) MrN 17:17, Aug 15

It's not banning comments altogether, just in the "For" and "Against" sections. The "Comments" section will remain open. Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 16:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

But for how long? How long?! Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 17:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I should clarify... I'm not suggesting that we can't do what we normally do when we vote. That's fine. Vote as per normal, leaving your reason for voting as per normal. What I'm saying is that once you have voted, after that if you want to say anything further it's got to be in the comments section, or the users talk page. MrN 18:27, Aug 15

Mandatory vote cause voting is stupid.

• Abstain. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 22:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
• Sexrape. --S0.S0S.0S.0S0 02:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
•  Weak Against change is bad. --Mn-z 04:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
• Can I please have a wank now?    Orian57    Talk   17:30 12 August 2009
• Weak Abstain, Leaning Towards Moderate -- -- mysterious Ape (negate) (Riot Porn) 18:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
• For screwing all of the abstain crap. Why can't we just let people do whatever we want? WHY!? Staircase CUN^t 16:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Abstain. Abstain is a symbol of righteousness or something! Have you never heard the great presidents crying "Abstain!" or "protest"?  –              zh              08:58 August 17