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Well, we are going to deop Frosty because he interferes with the operation of this site. For example, he:

• Extends blocks to users who operated anti-uncyclowikia events on other sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica
• Unblocks known trolls and non-contributing personnel like Romartus
• He is the only admin active in both wikis and has admin status on both of them

Anyway if this person is continued to be given ops, it can greatly interfere with our site's operations. I am not trying to become spike or something but it is impossible to take people away from here and it is also impossible to take away people from there. So anyone who is trying to do that should give up.WELCOME TO UNCYCLOPEDIA HELL!!!!

What is this even About? Who is Frosty? I am merely an Indian do-nothing. – Preceding unsigned comment added by EggCity0 (talk • contribs)

Vote

Score: 5 FOR and 8 AGAINST

1.  For.--WELCOME TO UNCYCLOPEDIA HELL!!!! 07:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
2. Comment. I for one would like to extend Frosty an invitation to America now that his kind are officially welcome here.
   I love you, man. -RAHB 16:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
3. Abstain. I sort of remember who Frosty is. Okay, I don't really remember who Frosty is. I got drunk a lot when I was active here. I still get drunk a lot. pillow talk 18:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
4. australia sucks – Preceding unsigned comment added by Roman Dog Bird (talk • contribs)
5. For I remember when Frosty was new here. He was one of the most helpful and hardworking users we've ever had. It's hard for me to see him as anything different than that. But lately it's become clear that Frosty is no longer the boy he once was, eager to help out with all the various chores around the site. Now every time I see Frosty he is acting by himself to sabotage things other members of the community want to do. There was a time when Count To A Million was the most active page on the site, a beacon of fun and frivolity. Until Frosty shut it down. This year during spam month I saw Frosty on IRC for a grand total of 5 minutes during which time he muted the bots which other members of the community had set up to facilitate the fun and frivolity of Spam Month. Frosty didn't ask anybody for input in his decision. And then yesterday Frosty came by to unban a user infinitely banned by another admin. To me this is pretty much the worst thing an admin can do here. The admins are a team and unless we work together progress is impossible. To overturn a decision as serious as an infiban without discussion with the banning admin, or literally anybody else, is serious shit. We can't have rogue admins running around trying to stop fun and overturning other admins actions. -- The Zombiebaron 00:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
6. Against. The car cruncher. --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

   I should had been put a restriction to cretins like this ^ from voting. Just reflecting.--WELCOME TO UNCYCLOPEDIA HELL!!!! 08:35, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

   I've striken Romartus's vote, because if it were not for the exact sort of rogue admin behaviour that this forum is about, he would still be infibanned. -- The Zombiebaron 08:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

7. Comment. I'm not going to vote because it makes me feel sad, but what I will say is I never saw the super helpful kid Frosty, I just saw the guy that randomly appeared once a month to revert everything without asking anyone about it and calling everyone a faggot. - B@NZai k!tten (Meow?)B 09:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

    Against. This got very stupid very quickly. - B@NZai k!tten (Meow?)B 10:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

8. Abstain... for now... Alright so prepare for a wall of text, and I'm not doing a tl;dr so don't bother asking. First and foremost I agree with everything said by Zombiebaron. I really really really hate when admins just reverse each other's decisions on things like blocks. What is the point of being a part of a community when you can't work with others? I myself have been in the situation where I have done something that another admin didn't agree with, and that admin expressed their concerns, recommended a course of action and we saw common ground and I appreciated that they took the time to actually work with me on this.
   But I've also seen a number of situations where say, a user was permanently blocked for persistently being a dipshit after 100 "last chances" and an admin who didn't block them initially just unblocked them, both without consulting the blocking admin and seemingly disregarding why the user was blocked in the first place, usually culminating in that user getting reblocked for doing the same shit that were blocked for in the first place. I know this one depends on the context but ultimately I feel it should be up to the blocking admin and if I were in that position then I would be happy to hear what other admins may think about the situation and then work from there. Unbanning permabanned users without discussing with the other admins, and particularly the blocking admin, is not only disrespectful to the blocking admin in question but also by extension the entire community. Discussing big things like permabans and stuff that the community is actually fond of not only goes a long way but is also fundamental in my opinion.
   Okay so now that my feelings on that are clear, I'll move onto why I'm technically abstaining. Yes, Frosty has on multiple occasions done stuff himself that he shouldn't have done without consulting others about it. However... and I really hate to say this, but he's not the only admin that does this shit. I'm not going to name names as it's both irrelevant to this thread and unfair, and it really is indeed a small minority of the admins that do this, but I don't think it's entirely fair to single out Frosty for this. I've seen shit like what I've mentioned above carried out by other admins too, both here and on IRC (one user's ban in particular for something pretty extreme comes to mind when a number of people in the channel actually wanted them gone), and this isn't even strictly a recent thing; it's been happening for a period of time, don't know how long exactly, but let's just say "a while". Is Frosty perhaps a more persistent offender than the others? Maybe, I don't know. But I'm not too sure I feel entirely comfortable lynching one person when they're not the only person here who does this rogue admin stuff, and I'm not defending Frosty either. Either way all of this rogue admin bullshit absolutely must stop, those who do it know who they are.
   Make what you will of what I just wrote but for now I'm abstaining. I may change my vote later on but I'll see what else comes from this thread. -- Lost Labyrinth • (t) • (c) • (a) 18:01, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

   Changing to  Against. While I do stand by my original comments regarding "rogue admins" in general, I feel that the drama associated with this became petty rather quickly. Everybody, including Frosty, should just take this forum as a wake up call and swiftly move on. -- Lost Labyrinth • (t) • (c) • (a) 17:28, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

9. Comment. I strongly disagree with infibanning Romartus. I think he was working hard to be diplomatic in http://en.uncyclopedia.co/w/index.php?title=Forum:Why_are_there_two_Uncyclopedias%3F%3F%3F&t=20150701001043 but instead of getting a diplomatic reaction back was attacked for trying to not have a battle. I probably would have posted something similar to what Romartus did and I left the other Uncyclopedia. Romartus has been very helpful on a wikia site I manage and tried to help when another admin and I were getting really flustered with wikia policies. But I do agree that one admin shouldn't revert a admin move by another without any discussion unless there's a supremely strong reason to do so immediately. In this case, I think it should have been discussed. But I really don't know enough about Frosty to have an opinion on the deop. Also what Rodney King said, "People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?" DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 04:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

   Stop protecting him; he did nothing other than disrupting the site, he wants a battle, and the wikia site is irrevelant.--WELCOME TO UNCYCLOPEDIA HELL!!!! 05:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

   I'm sorry this is the very first time I made a comment about this so I didn't know I was doing something wrong. I didn't mean to protect anybody I was just trying to give my opinion. I know you're an admin here so I hope you can help me. If you could show me a link to where it says what I can and can't say in discussions I would be grateful. I don't want to get in trouble or say something I shouldn't. DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 01:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

   Without understanding anything about this issue, I'll say that one gets the impression that Miley is smarter than you are. pillow talk 05:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

   Miley, you are free to say what you want as is Mr-Ex777. You haven't done anything wrong. Also Mr-Ex777 is a very special unique individual. - B@NZai k!tten (Meow?)B 08:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

   Thanks Banzaikitten. Actually I'm an admin of a wiki. I learned admins can be kind, considerate and gentle and never need to shout. That's because they have the power. It's "speak softly, and carry a big stick" for me. :) DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 03:17, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

   Sorry, i may had not read that comment properly. But from what i had read that's a pretty subtle personal attack (Something like "You are just denying your wiki failed" or among things like this) and he's definitely going to have a battle if banzaikitten did not protect that forum, nor is it "Diplomatic" in any form of way. And from what you saw here, being an helpful admin on one site does not mean one on the another. However, i do agree you that frosty shouldn't have been unbanned romartus at the first place, and he's also acting akwardly this year. And yes, at least 5 votes should be done to have him de-oped in my opinion, this is a bit too early.--WELCOME TO UNCYCLOPEDIA HELL!!!! 09:19, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

   For what it's worth I think Mr-ex was completely on point with his comment. I feel like Miley either doesn't understand the full context, or is letting her previous contact with Romartus blur her judgement. Telling someone to go visit a different website to get the answer to a question they asked here and then refusing to answer the question here so as not to start a "battle" is literally the definition of disrupting the site. Clearly Romartus watches our site all the time without feeling the need to edit, so naturally the most diplomatic thing for him to have done in that situation was to continue not editing. I just wanted to answer some IP's question and then he attacked me. -- The Zombiebaron 08:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

   Hyperbole, thank you. ;) DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 02:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

10. Oppose. I am uncomfortable with an admin at Encyclopedia Dramatica getting the same rights here. I see it as a 'conflict of interest', even though there is no evidence that Frosty has engaged in socking or threatening to sock (as with the Wikipedia threat) at Uncyclopedia. Also if Frosty was to become an uncyclopedia admim - and remain an admin at ED (as Oblique in case anyone doesn't know) - I would presume he would have to be barred from becoming a bureaucrat. By the time the fire has been put out, a wrecked website would be the result. I would apply the conflict of interest to everyone who wants to be an admin at both Uncyclopedia and Encyclopedia Dramatica. -- Argylesocks (talk) 11:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

    This is not the point. the point is he did nothing helpful to out site this year, and he unblocked a known troll. There's nothing to do with him being an ED admin. In fact, he only cleans up ED every once a while, and he no longer works here.--WELCOME TO UNCYCLOPEDIA HELL!!!! 11:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

    This is actually what Romartus said to oppose Frosty's original opping. His defence of the OP this time further displays his urge to cause issues here. - B@NZai k!tten (Meow?)B 11:59, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

    Whereas I only have the urge to binge and purge. It rhymes. I wrote a song about it. LIVE THE URGE TO BINGE AND PURGE. Anyway, if we're going to deop Frosty and Romartus and Mordillo, I think I should get ops to fill the void. Because that's what I'm good at: filling voids. pillow talk 09:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

    Yo Anonymous IP: ya want a ban? Sign in and sign your shit, sockpuppet.  ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Mon, Jul 6 '15 15:55 (UTC)

    Okay. Anyway, this isn't a vote for or against. Just a pretty neat irony. Or coincidence? My definitions are loose these days. --Argylesocks (talk) 07:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

11. KILL THE FOO – Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.139.108.78 (talk • contribs)
12.  For. admins are so hot, Frosty will melt. I like Littlest Pet Shop 02:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
13. Wait, how are we supposed to vote to get him de-opped? For or against? Because I'm against that. Him getting de-opped, that is. I think? Where am I? ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Mon, Jul 6 '15 8:37 (UTC) On second thought, some of other idiots here seem to be taking this "de-op Frosty" campaign seriously, SO HERE'RE MORE WORDS. Romartus sure as fuck deserves a nice multi-month ban for coming here and passive-aggressively inviting our potential user(s) to the Wikia site for a mug of warm cider and "the other side of the story". Would I have banned him? No. Should Mr-ex777 have permbanned him? No, but he was within his discretion to do so. Should Frosty have unbanned without talking to Mr-ex777? No, but he was within his discretion to do so. I would have done it myself, in a month or so, after everyone had forgotten about Romartus being a semi-chubbed dick. We have a long and glorious history of ops countermanding and counter-countermanding other ops. It's lulzy and engaging, so let's all take our dicks out and wave them around for a few hours, but when it's all said and done, I hope you idiots don't make the mistake of de-opping Frosty. Why? Because...
    
    ...who the fuck is 83.245.234.44? His only contribution was to come here and ask a question which a Wikia user was more than happy (and available!) to answer. Drama drama lulz lulz. And you idiots fell for it?  ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Mon, Jul 6 '15 16:06 (UTC)

    I'm not sure why you are focusing on Romartus's ban as though it is the only issue. Frosty has been making these rogue decisions for quite some time. And sure, we were all voted in by the community at some point to benefit the community in our own way. But lately most of what Frosty has been doing has not benefited the community, which is why we are having this discussion. I disagree with you that Frosty was "within his discretion" to turn an infinite ban into a less than 24 hour ban without consulting anybody. Yes, most infinite bans end up being only several months, but even then we usually talk about it a bit on IRC. Also at the end of your paragraph you seem to imply that Romartus wants to deop Frosty and that's why we shouldn't do it. Maybe I'm reading that wrong, not sure. -- The Zombiebaron 05:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

    Oh, no, I doubt Romy and Michelle were aiming to get Frosty de-opped; what I meant was, this is just the icing on their troll poopcake, and no troll should ever get to have their poopcake and eat it, too.
    Aside from that, the Romartus ban is the main issue here. "Frosty +q'd some bots on IRC, and killed a forum! Also he's a dick." Mmmkay. The bots were unquieted shortly after. If CTAM were a huge deal, someone should've ...I dunno... unkilled it, maybe. Oh, look. And Frosty has always been a dick. So, I need more evidence of his ass hattery. For instance, I would accept photographic evidence of him being fisted by Bashar Al-Assad while wearing an ISIS camel's dick as a pacifier, because while that might slightly improve my opinion of him, it would also be majorly uncool. Otherwise, folks should try, y'know, throwing their feces at his talk page, instead of moving directly to a "YO DAWG FOAD".  ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Tue, Jul 7 '15 13:07 (UTC)

    I'm not sure how increasing the activity of our site by leaps and bounds constitutes giving Romartus the privilege of eating poopcake, but ok, nice metaphor. Us all getting together and discussing something that will affect the future of the site is a rare and wonderful thing these days. We should probably be thanking Romartus and Frosty, but we're not because they didn't do what they did with good intentions. -- The Zombiebaron 07:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

    OK YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK YOU DIE MOTHERFUCKER I'M ANNOUNCING AN ALL NEW DE-CRAT ZOMBIEBARON FORUM WHERE WE VOTE TO DECRAT ZOMBIEBARON, AND ALSO DE-CIRCUMSIZE HIM. THAT'S RIGHT WE'RE GONNA STAPLE HIS FUCKIN FORESKIN BACK ON am i doin it right IN CONCLUSION SUCK ALL THE PENISES YOU HAVE HANDY MOTHERFUCKER I'LL SEE YOU IN HELL SEACREST OUT  ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Wed, Jul 8 '15 7:21 (UTC)

14. Sounds like cunt--192.99.219.255 (talk) 14:56, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
15. My tuppence worth:
    
    • the conflict of interests stuff sounds too serious to me. Both sites are very quiet, I don't think it is proportionate. People act like this place is actually Wikipedia. The sooner we start to think of it as two dozen writers, publishing stuff here and on social media, the better.
    • if Frosty is doing stuff once a month and being a dick, just revert the changes and talk to him. What's the point in de-opping someone, especially like this?
    • not crazy about mr ex not signing his comment and adopting the royal "we". Who is he speaking for exactly? When was this decision made?
    • if everyone who took the time to shit themselves over this wrote a lil UnNews, Untunes, or whatever, we'd have two dozen new pages, which would do the site a lot more good than any drama/counting to a million etc. Leverage (talk) 12:51, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

    I tried to write an article the other day. After four hours of typing, it looked like this:

    All work and no play make

     ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Tue, Jul 7 '15 13:22 (UTC)

    I totally recommend the "little" formats of UnNews, UnTunes, UnScripts etc. I think an Uncyclopedia mainspace article is a much more time-consuming project. Leverage (talk) 13:58, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

    That was my UnNews!  ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Tue, Jul 7 '15 14:40 (UTC)

    The only thing that keeps uncyclowikia from dying is they have more hard-working admins. If we all stop being a slack we suprass them. It's currently only ME that is writing stuff.--WELCOME TO UNCYCLOPEDIA HELL!!!! 14:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

    Hey Leverage! I agree that any potential conflict of interest isn't really the issue here. The issue we are discussing is how this site should be run by its admins. The discussion was started here by Mr-ex777 after a smaller discussion was held on IRC. I'm not sure why you're "not crazy about mr ex not signing his comment", since not signing the preamble to a vote is actually common practise. I think if you add a few missing words to the first sentence of this forum it will leave less of a strange taste in your mouth; "Well, we are going to [vote on] deop[ing] Frosty". But in the end this forum isn't really just about Frosty, it's about all of us. I think that from time to time sitting down and discussing how the site is run and how it should be run is important. I think that having fun forum like The Count help to engage both new and old users, and most importantly they let us have fun on the site. For years we have been pushing the "go write you lazy shits" agenda and I think we have proof that it doesn't work. Between this forum and The Count the wiki is more active than it has been in months. -- The Zombiebaron 15:04, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

16. Ouch, looks like Frosty's in trouble. Well, I haven't been around for a long time, so there's nothing I can really do but Abstain. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 01:50, 8 July 2015

    Hi Socky! Just saying. DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 04:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

17. Actually voting against here, now that I've gotten a better feel of what's going on. This has been an invigorating drama but there isn't really any point to doing this. --Argylesocks (talk) 09:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
18.  Against. What you describe is a few edits, that very few judge disruptive, opposed to several years of great contributions. With Uncyclopedia not even dying, but rotting, deopping an administrator Frosty seems like the most disruptive action one could imagine. Anton (talk) 22:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
19. Comment. Nobody can remember 3 years ago. This, which you shouldn't read if you still want your sanity. XY007 • talk • contributions 03:33, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
20.  Against. Meh. 21:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
21.  For. I was gone, but now I'm back, und this is important. User:Matthlock/sig2 23:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
22.  Against. While blocking Romartus was a good move (I was pretty sick of his pestering us) and while blocking count to a million was one of the most retarded moves an admin has ever made ... the "charges" against him aren't serious enough. Though to be honest ... I really thought he had retired as an admin some time ago. ShabiDOO 23:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thankyou

I am actually rather impressed at the fact several users came out of hiding just to conspire to deop me and I didn't even notice. In other news, I'm so very drunk. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 09:51, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah defense piece

So it appears this forum is actually some kind of serious thing so I will address the points raised here:

• Romartus unblock - I did this without consultation of anyone because the block itself was done without consultation of anyone or even so much as a coherent reason in the block log. This is kind of a big deal when it comes to blocking long term users forever and it's not something that should be done suddenly with all of 12 words in the block log that doesn't actually explain what he did wrong. Should I have checked? Perhaps I should have, equally as true Mr-ex777 should have provided an actual reason for blocking a user from 2008 indefinitely. Hell, even short term users have been given more chances, unblocks and genuine effort to improve relationships. This block was not thought through at all and so I reverted it.
• My general inactivity - I go to Uni, I work, and thus don't spend as much time on the net as I used to. This is not something that's unique to me, 90% of our long term users have abandoned this place completely because of commitments they have in real life. I come online sometimes, delete spam and ban spambots. In the last few months that's most of what I've done here
• CTAM - I killed that for a week almost 2 years ago because it was spamming recent changes. The forum was locked for a week, it is not my fault that nobody wanted to revive it until now.
• IRC spam - I personally consider it sad that the logs on IRC chat can't be filled with actual conversation about the site or even shared interests in general instead of 3 bots talking to each other for a whole month. I was also curious about whether anyone might be online.
• ED - Irrelevant and lame. I'm not even involved with that site anymore. I did however help ED get along with Uncyclopedia.co to the point several former trolls hang out on IRC sometimes. As for attacks on Uncycowikia, I neither support or oppose them I cannot control ED's contempt for Wikia so there is no point trying. If they want to vandalise Wikia, that's their business.

~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 10:35, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

--Roman Dog Bird (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

rdb!!!!!! --Argylesocks (talk) 20:16, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't matter

It just doesn't. mAttlobster. (hello) 18:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)