Talk:Barack Obama/Colonization

Concepts

Proposal	Okay, so I've had this idea about writing as if Obama has already saved the world. So we can talk about all the (as of yet) fictional achievements he's made. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 23:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Score: +2
For	SelfFor. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 23:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC) I like it, but I'm going to propose a few others. —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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Comments	Whether we involve Islam or Communism or something like that is a matter that can be discussed later. Opinions are welcome of course. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 23:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Good job kicking this off, Socky. And you did everything right, too. —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Thanks. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 01:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Abstain I also like this idea, but it would be the hardest for future users to edit, and IPs are likely to add stuff about Obama being antichrist etc.-- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 02:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC) I admit it may be easier to portray Obama negatively. See my comments below. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 02:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal	Alternative to the above, we talk about his presidency and how it takes us closer to an Orwellian type totalitarian government. Obama is a socialist, grew up socialist, grew up Muslim, thinks this and that and all that jazz. Of course, we'll be totally contradictory. "Not only did Obama spend the first twelve years of his life in Indonesia, he also spent them in Hawaiian terrorist camps while also being enlisted in Iraqi terror camps full time." —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Score: +4
For	Abstaining for now. —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Changing to for. —Sir SysRq (talk) 17:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC) For This would be the easiest to write and to add on to. I would also suggest if we do take this angle to mention his "total control over the media" in some way. Kind of like an ultra-conservative point of view, taken to its most absurd extreme. Especially if we were to suggest he somehow controls all the news flows: radio, TV, newspapers AND of course the internet. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 02:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC) I like this one, sort of from Conservapedia's point of view right?--CrabPope 16:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC) I'm for doing this proposal similar to how I wanted to do my proposal (with all that future stuff). I've written a short start to the article, mainly based on this concept. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 17:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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Comments	Abstaining is regularly done in the comments section. More on the subject, we could combine this with my proposal, i.e. Great Leader Obama spent his early years revolting against heretic capitalist regimes... and then talk about how he took over the world and supposedly made it better. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 01:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC) I disagree. This idea is basically an attempt to smear Obama, as is the other one. Your idea is to present him as the media's godchild, essentially putting him at the opposite extreme. —Sir SysRq (talk) 02:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC) With "my proposal" I was basically just referring to the "telling of future events" aspect of my proposal. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 09:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal	Another alternative. Focusing on the biblical aspect of it instead of the political, we compare Obama to the antichrist, citing all kinds of made up Bible verses and just gettin' all kinds of crazy. "And yea, God said to Moses, "Ye must beware of the wicked dissenters. I will favor any nation with a WASP at it's head, but should any nation elect a black man to lead them I will turn my back on them, for they are given over to the Devil and his ways." —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Score: +0
For	Abstaining for now. —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Against	Against Most articles about black vs white end up FUBARed by constant hate edits ruining the humor of the thing. Not to mention it would almost certainly be offensive to the religious-minded and to blacks. It would be hard to maintain in good condition with this idea. On the other hand, the idea of God being Republican and condemning a nation with a Democrat president might work. -- Simsilikesims(♀UN) Talk here. 02:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Comments	This could also be combined with my proposal. We could basically make the whole article a prophecy about what ¿terrible? things antichrist Obama is going to do with the world. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 01:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC) See my comments in the above proposal. —Sir SysRq (talk) 02:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC) With "my proposal" I was basically just referring to the "telling of future events" aspect of my proposal. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 09:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal	barack 'the rock' obama, the professional wrestler. his struggles to get a foothold in wrestling in illinois. his epic match with john 'the maverick' mccain. his current reign as world champion. basically, politics --> wrestling. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 13:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC) Score: +0
For	for. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 13:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Against	Against. Sorry, but thinking about the potential this article has, making the article about wrestling just doesn't appeal to me. This kind of thing may be more appropriate for a parody article of the presidential election battle of 2008. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 13:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Comments

Proposal	I was thingking to include something confusing wikipedia's article which says he has something half sisters and something half brothers. So maybe it can be changed to half wives or something funny... » Zheliel Talk Contribs Cow » 07:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC) Score: +1
For	For. Self for. I like the idea anyway. » Zheliel Talk Contribs Cow » 07:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
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Comments	I don't know It's not bad, but it does seem a little stretched, if you know what I mean. Besides, I think they've already established a pretty solid concept, haven't they?--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 11:07, 17 April 2009 (UTC) You Have A Point There. » Zheliel Talk Contribs Cow » 09:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the present concepts

I see there are about three main questions we should ask ourselves:

• Are we going to talk about the future (predictions/as if it already happened) in detail or not?
• Do we want to portray Obama in a positive or a negative way? Maybe superficially positive but leave nuances of a dark future?
• What should we associate Obama with? Islam? Communism? Totalitarianism? Fascism? Messianic prophecies? A combination of those?

—Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 02:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

IMO, Obama's presidency is a "near future", so predictions and shit will be outdated this year or the following... I say we concentrate on his past history and write the article from conspiracy theorist-ic POV, obviously portraying him negatively. And since it's written by conspiracy theorists, we can associate him with all the said things, you know, we can issue several theories; one about him being a terrorist muslim, a communist, a facsist totalitarian dictator and the biblical beast number 6-threescore-6. Also, these theories do not contradict each others.. Umm, what do you say, socky? SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 09:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not a bad idea, though the article may be easier to pull off if we focus on a few aspects, possibly combining them. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 09:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

exactly, and as I have just said, they don't contradict, so they can easily be combined.. SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 09:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Considering all the above statements

It seems to me that probably the best concept would be a combination of my and SysRq's first proposals, with which I mean the following:

• We talk as if Obama has already taken over the world. And it comes down to something like "Obama's presidency initially appeared like a divine blessing, but it turned out to be a dreadful curse." So first we speak about some good stuff he did (like the stuff he's planning to do in real life) and then we can explain how this apparently good stuff led to the downfall of humanity under Obama's reign. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 10:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

oh shit. Ok, I agree. Scratch my proposal. SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 10:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

We could still put some Islam and/or Communism in the article, but we can decide on that when we are working on the article. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 10:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

if we work according your "considering all the above statements" proposal, we can insert islam, antichrist-ism, totalitarianism and/or communism in the second part of the story, when his apparently good deeds reforms begin to show their evil. Also, note that the mayan prophecy of the 30 Dec 2012 sunflare occurs at the end of his first term.. Potential for apocalyptic shit. SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 14:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Holy crap, it does? Let's see 2009...2010....1011....2012! You're right! AAAAAAA!!!! That's a good idea though. IS NICE.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 13:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

So, do we agree on the concept?

Then let's start writing. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 19:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

please sum up the concept in the highest level of detail possible, so we all know what direction to go in. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 19:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Our basic concept is how Obama will lead us into an Orwellian totalitarianism. The basic outline is as follows, section per section:

• Introduction: We say some simple stuff about Obama and how he's leading his totalitarian state. (We write it as if it's already become reality.)
• Early life: We talk about how he grew up. We add in some Socialism and some Communism. He's also confronted with a lot of religions, thus developing a greater insight in religion in general. We imply that this all contributed to his would-be dictatorship.
• We don't really need to talk much about his political life before he began his run for the presidency.
• Rise to power: We say how he convinced everyone he would bring us the change we need(ed).
• Establishment of a totalitarian regime: We explain how he established a global totalitarian state. (He probably organised some global alliance and under his leadership it ended up becoming more and more totalitarian.)
• Maybe we want to talk about his 'current' personal life, probably though his whereabouts have become a complete mystery. Maybe we don't even know whether he's still really alive. (In 1984, Goldstein's book says "We may be reasonably sure that he will never die, and there is already considerable uncertainty as to when he was born.")
• Cultural image: When he became president, he was a hero. Now, everyone is terrified of his image. Maybe we can also write something about everyone being forced into a "love ritual", an "act of worship" towards Obama.
• Maybe we can end the article with a note from the supposed writer of the article. Similarly to how The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism wasn't actually written by a man named Emmanuel Goldstein.

—Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 19:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

who's orwell? SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 20:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Read: [1] [2] [3] —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 20:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

oh, you mean this guy. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 20:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

on a more serious note, if this is the direction we're going with the article, i think we should avoid anything from the future, or how we're all currently cowering in fear of him, etc. he hasn't established any kind of regimes yet. we should subtly hint that he is heading us in that direction. you know, spin his actions thus far as president as slented towards totali-whateverism, but not 'omg obama is stalin and he told me exactly how to wash my car' or other such absurdities. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 21:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I hate future shit. I'm not completely sold on this whole concept either. We'll see how it goes. -OptyC Sucks! CUN21:18, 15 Apr

ya, thats better Mahm00shA 21:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait, what exactly do you mean for the Rise To Power? Are you saying that they needed change and he offered to give it to them, or he sort of got in the heads, and convinced them that they needed change, whether or not they actually needed it?--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 19:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Style

Are we going to write this as if he has a cult of personality, or are we going to write it as if we're some underground resistance? Saberwolf116 13:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

it seems we're going with an encyclopedic tone, describing obama as a president on the road to completely controlling everything about the US. we'll try to mirror what his wikipedia page has to say, spinning it in that direction. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 14:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

isnt it about time to try something original; something new? Mahm00shA 15:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

such as? SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 15:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

a unique style, just saying. I have no specific idea right now Mahm00shA 15:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I like the Underground Resistance idea, but Mahm00shA's right. There probably should be a bit of a spin to the idea.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 19:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Something just hit me, how about writing the article like a transmission from the future in the style of the websites from the Year Zero ARG? All garbled and stuff, eg. 1 2 3 4 Some click and drag involved. Gis ym esiladnav! _LOB 10:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what you just said but it sounds like a good idea.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 18:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Basically they're all messed up and distorted from the time travel. Can you do that with a wiki? Gis ym esiladnav! _LOB 20:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

So...

If we're writing as if it's gonna happen, won't it be obsolete in a few years? Saberwolf116 21:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but only if you use specific dates. And anyways, most of the facts on Uncyclopedia are obsolete.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 22:11, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. (Lol maybe borrow Nostradamus' quotes xP) » Zheliel Talk Contribs Cow » 07:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

we'd better avoid future dates while we can. Mahm00shA 08:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Yah. *Scratches head* I like the previous Mahm00sha sig though. Why change?! » Zheliel Talk Contribs Cow » 09:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

cuz this one looks moar leik the Egyptian flag, amirite? However, if you really want my old sig back, your wish is my command! Just tell me, and i'll change back to ye olde signatshurre Mahm00shA 10:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I liked the original one, ya know, the one that actually said "Mahm00shA"--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 12:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. But now the signature changing disease has spread!!! I got it. Now mine's a random sig :) User:Zheliel/sigz2 11:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Images

I've added a Barack version of tiananmen square. Don't know if it works and can't think of a caption at the moment. So tamper with it if you will. Or delete it if it doesn't fit. It's all I could think of for now. Throw suggestions my way if anyone has a better idea. --^Dame 17:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about that first pic, cause that one looks pretty good. I'm not enthusiastic about that one with the Sonic characters though.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 18:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm talking about the first one, yes. I didn't do the one with the cartoon characters. --^Dame 18:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I know you didn't, I'm just saying. Not particularly fond of it. Your pic works though, Dame Sonje.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 19:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

If I knew how to talk to a girl, i'd say what a nice image that is. Saberwolf116 00:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Dame Sonje, that's a very nice image. See, I said it for you. But remember Sonje, I'M the one who said it.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 01:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Conservapedia Photos

I got the first two from the Conservapedia page on Barack Hussein Obama II [4] , It's pretty hilarious, I reccomend visiting that page for some good material. --CrabPope 14:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Obama bows before his true master.

Obama relaxing at home.

An accurate depiction of what Obama looks like without the makeup.

You really suggest using a pic made with Paint?--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 15:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah maybe, it emphasises the immaturity of the people who are critical of him for the wrong reasons --CrabPope 18:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

i don't know... I mean I get your point, but still, it just doesn't seem like an IC kind of thing.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 22:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

progress

so far, very little. we seem to be stuck in a rut after nearly two weeks. however, i'm willing to brush off the lack of activity as conservation week-induced, since i've been focusing most of my creative effort on that the last two weeks rather than colonization, and i assume you all have too. anyway, i formally propose that we extend barack's term another four years one week to 5/2, since next week we won't have rewriting extravaganzas to worry about, and we can focus on colonizing once more. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 18:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Only 1 week left in Conservation Week? But I haven't even finished my 1st re-write yet!--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 19:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

less than four days, actually. get crackin'! SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 19:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

This already passed into its two-week term? Wow. Time flies. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 19:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

What'll happen if it's not perfected in 4 days? Like, I think I can get it written, but I'm gonna get a pic shopped, which might take longer. I feel really incompetent seeing other guys finish 10 amazing articles in the time it takes me to write 1 good one. (Ex. Guildy wrote Trogdor the Burninator in 1 day and got it featured in 4. HowTo:Get Over Jenny, my only featured article, took me about 1.5 months to finish, with pics and all.).--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 20:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

do not worry, my snack-enjoying chum. i too once fretted over such things, but the truth is: don't worry about that stuff. rewrites do not need to be perfect #1 featured articles, they merely need to be improved versions of existing articles. as for time deadlines: some of the best advice i ever got was 'try writing one article before the end of whenever.' i.e., take your time! i have written some good stuff quickly, but most of the work i'm proudest of has taken waaay long, oftentimes much more than one or two months. so write at your own pace, and most of all: have fun with it! if uncyclopedia is stressing you out, ur doin it rong. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 20:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No, no stress at all. Just working on getting the hang of this. Th-thank you for being my f-f-friends. By the way, what is a Gerrycheever?--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 23:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

you're welcome! a gerrycheevers is one of the only successful users to maintain his own vanity page in the mainspace. alternatively, check the wikipedia article. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 23:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, someone else also has his own vanity page in the mainspace. As well as wikipedia. User:Zheliel/sigz2 09:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Gerry Cheevers has a Wikipedia article as well, you know. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 14:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

the wikipedia page is a parody of the uncyclopedia page. much like all of wikipedia. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 14:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I bet a 100 gold coins I can create my own vanity page in mainspace and survive huffing. Anyone? 14:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

About a certain Mahmud Shah? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 14:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

haha :) Hell, It's the first time I notice my *nonsensial* username rhymes with a real name! Anyway, no. Not about that mahmud shah, about Mahm00shA, me, ME, ME, ME, ME MUAHAHAHAHA 15:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and write it. Slap those two in the face. I could to, but its not really fair, since Smokin' Cheddar BBQ Doritos are a real thing.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 19:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Ill do it when I have enough time for it. It needs to be done in one piece; I cant make it a work in progress and add a couple of lines everyday, theyll just huff it 19:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

The colons... someone also has a vanity page on wikipedia. User:Zheliel/sigz2 11:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

let's finish this

okay, we've been putting this off long enough. i'm going to polish this one off today, though i don't like much of it as it is, so i'll probably be changing a lot of things. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 16:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

other intro

Barack Hussein Obama II is the current Dictator of the Global Alliance. All hail the Glorious Leader! Before he rose to power, we were a troubled people. Different countries fighting, corrupt and unattractive politicians cheating the people of our great global state, people in poverty stricken areas like Africa scarcely had enough to eat or drink as disease ravaged the land. Indeed, even The Jonas Brothers were still popular in those dark and desperate times. Now thanks to Obama, every family on Earth has food to eat, water to drink, and plenty of Barack O Bills in their wallets as we stand in unity under our fair and kind leader’s banner.

i removed the other introduction, but i've reproduced it here so we can use its ideas elsewhere in the article. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 16:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

further discussion

Give me tomorrow as well and I'll see if I can add anything. I agree this one should be done after tomorrow though. -OptyC Sucks! CUN16:37, 1 May

right-o. i'm working on it now. i was really focused on conservation week the last two weeks, so i hope the lack of activity here doesn't mean that IC is dead. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 16:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Probably not dead. I don't think anyone was entirely devoted to this one.--Smokin' Cheddar BBQ: The King of the Triangular Snackfoods 19:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

so i've finished up through the presidency. i hope to finish the rest tonite or tomorrow, but either way we will have a new colonization on sunday. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 21:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

And this time let's make sure to get a pee review before anybody noms it for VFH (if it gets nommed at all). -OptyC Sucks! CUN21:58, 1 May

From the looks of Gerry's improvements to the article, I'm pretty sure this could get featured when finished (but yeah, it should be peed first). Good work, Gerry! —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

The Future

Though my initial concept was quite different, I now fully support the way this article is progressing. Maybe we can keep some of the future stuff that's written as if it takes place in the present in the form of what some conservatives foresee in relation to Obama's reign. Like a caption with that Tiananmen Square parody picture reading "Several conservative politicians predict that Obama will reform the American nation into a communist state like present-day China." For the most part though, subtly hinting things is the way to go. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Well

I don't like how you changed my "Political Career" section. I thought I did an Ok job with that. Saberwolf116 14:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you be a little more specific please? What don't you like about the changes? Was there a specific thing you wanted to work in? I'm too lazy to go through the history and see what you're talking about you see, but this is a group effort and if there's something you wanna put back in just say so and we'll see how we can work it in. -OptyC Sucks! CUN14:24, 2 May

yea, i'm sorry if i stepped on anyone's toes or anything like that, but a lot of the existing stuff didn't fit well with the other existing stuff. please note that we will be going back through the history to put much of it back in at the appropriate section; for example, i think the 'patended obama cams' was brilliant, but i thought it would probably work better as something he perfected while president. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 14:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's the paragraph if you want to mess around with it:

Obama wasn't anything special or extraordinary in his early life. In reality, he was a failure. He was less than average at school, and failed miserably at rapping. He also tried basketball, baseball and even soccer, but he fell right on his face, literally, each time. This led him to pursue a political career, as it is the only kind of career where dorks can succeed. He, as a dork, excelled at politics, and quickly ascended the ladder until he became a state senator. There, he began his practice for becoming a dictator. Under the reign of King Blagojevich III, he spread the wealth around his district, leading communities and churches to lasting prosperity under the watchful eye of the patented Obama Cams®. Saberwolf116 15:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason you shouldn't be able to work that into the early life section. In particular, I think it could replace the bit about being in multiple terrorist camps at once which seems a little random and unfunny to me. I also like the Obama Cam thing, I think we should establish that he started experimenting with them early and perfected the art as president. I think this article's at it's best when it sounds very Orwellian, and hidden cams fall right in line with that. -OptyC Sucks! CUN15:32, 2 May

I'll see what I can do. Saberwolf116 16:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, well I can't figure out where to put it without screwing the context up. Wanna help out? Saberwolf116 17:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

So now that we're done

How does it look? IMO, it looks short. Well, written, but short. We might need a bit more time... Saberwolf116 15:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

dont you worry about the article being short, my friend. As soon as this one hits mainspace-- well you know how much traffic an article about the president gets. My point is, we lay the foundations and non-vandal IP's and users do the expansion. 15:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

If you say so. I'm pretty sure those Andrew "HE WAS BORN IN KENYA" Schalfy Conservapedians will vandalize this, though... Saberwolf116 19:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)