Forum:I think The Uncyclopedia Store should be on the Community Portal

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"We've moved to Custom Dropshipper, Links changed to reflect that. --NXWave 01:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)"

4 Reasons why The Uncyclopedia Store should be placed on the Community Portal under Discussion and Visitor Information

1. It's now an actual store that's running on Custom Dropshipper, Most of the items available are accurate to a 10th of a degree.
2. People can create items for The Uncyclopedia Store, Their design might be the hippest thing in school.
3. Exclusive Content (calenders, audio cd's, etc...) that could only be on The Uncyclopedia Store
4. Extensive Improvements Done, Plus it could raise awarness.

Any remarks??? --NXWave 20:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Who gets the profits? I'm curious, since the submissions and images used on those products are bound by our Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license, and the "NC" bit stands for "Non Commercial". If the creators are getting a cut, all well and good, but I'd be pretty pissed off if I found one of my images on there making someone else a tidy profit when I'd specifically uploaded it under the terms and conditions of the CC. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 20:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Easy, If you have a paypal account, I'll send you a cut of the profits. --NXWave 20:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

None of the material used there is mine. If you're the one who's running it though, I suggest you get in touch with the creators of the images in question forthwith, particularly Rcmurphy whose potato puzzle logos is plastered over nearly every item. I don't mean to sound like a hardass, but the reason we have a CC-BY-NC-SA license is specifically to cover unauthorised use of peoples' creations in an amenable and pleasant manner. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 20:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Aww, dammit, and I was just about to buy a t-shirt. -- 21:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Quick! Buy! Buy before they get shut down! Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 23:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm wearing the thong right now. Well, a thong...it does have potatoes growing out of it, at least. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 00:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This is something that Wikia might want to look into. Seriously, I'm not wanting to be an asshole about this, either, but this is something we have to stop now to keep it from happening again. It's a bad precedent. I haven't made ANY images, but I know none of the images were made to line someone else's pockets.--<<>> 01:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Just my $0.02

Just my $0.02, but I suggest that the prices on the store be reduced to Cafepress defaults, so no profit is made. That, or any and all profit goes to Wikia as a donation(from the Uncyclopedia community, as we bought the crap!) for our server abuse. It's not right that somebody should make money off of this.     EugeneKay wuz here (whine thank)   02:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)  

This could work, People will be buying this stuff that most of the profits could be going to Wikia if I was making a profit. But this ensures them that they're not making a profit from this. --NXWave 19:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I quite like this idea, mainly because people often comment on my Uncyclopedia tshirt, a lot of sites use the fact that sad nerds like to walk around wearing something from their favourite website as a way of increasing awareness. Either that or lets set up a Uncyclomedia Foundation to decide what happens with the "profits". -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Licence issues

Not even wikia is allowed to make money off CC-BY-NC-SA licenced material, unless the creator specifically allows it. Not to mention that you can't donate to wikia. It's a company, it's for-profit, and doesn't take donations. As others have said, and there's no being a hardass about it, but you're not allowed to make money off the things you're selling unless the person who originally created it has given you permission. FYI, Rcmurphy created the potato puzzle uncyclopedia logo, MoneySign created the NRV logo, and the cone image is most likely GFDL, so you could sell that for profit as long as the creator is credited on the actual thing (not so sure about GFDL stuff, but I know you have to at least give credit with it). With the other CC-BY-NC-SA things, you'll need both permission and to give credit, unless they give permission to not give credit. The main thing being that you need permission.

Uncyclopedia has always been very free (in every sense) with copyrights, mostly because we're not making any money off it. When you start to try and make money off other people's work, it becomes a different matter. You can't just give a cut of the profits to someone who asks; you're not allowed to make those profits without permission in the first place. Moreover, the uncyclopedia store is a joke because of this very permission-requiring, it would be difficult to actually get going, and be non-profit. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 02:17, 11 Nov 2007

I released Sophia the potato under a non-noncommercial license (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Uncyclopedia.png), mostly so that it could be used by Wikipedians. It's under GFDL/CC-BY-SA now. But the word "uncyclopedia" is NOT part of the relicensed logo because Wikia owns the rights to the name. —rc (t) 17:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Do we have to give Wikia a nickel every time we say Uncyclopedia? Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 02:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know but if many people use the Uncyclopedia name, Wikia should be collecting fines from all of them. Also Spang reverted the page because of possible permission-issues. You know what, I think we should have a vote to keep the store up or shut the store down. --NXWave 05:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

What we should have had was a vote before you went ahead and decided to set this up without discussing it with any members of the community, admins, or wikia staff. Again, I probably sound like a pedantic bastard here, but I'm actually trying to protect you; anything involving merchandising or the exchange of actual money needs to be so carefully managed otherwise essentially you're bootlegging and in theory, as matters currrently stand, if you sell a single item from that store with the Uncyclopedia "brand name" on it, Wikia could theoretically sue you. I'm pretty sure they're too cuddly and lovely for that, but hopefully you see how you're leaving yourself exposed to all kinds of trouble by just going it alone. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 13:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

My advice and opinion is to take it down, and make a new Forum:Setting up the Store, Correctly, including a semi-formal letter-writing to Wikia asking nicely for permission to use the Unccyclopedia trademark(or whatever it is) on non-profit merchandise, and asking each and every image creator for their express permission, etc. Just so your bases are covered, you know. Or I could do it, but I'm a lazy git, and somebody would have to ask nice...     EugeneKay wuz here (whine thank)   13:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)  

There's also the fact that you branded the store as "the official uncyclopedia store" when apparently nobody else even knew about it. In my mind the whole point of having a non-commercial licence is that you can write/create something and give it away for free, safe in the knowledge that someone else can't come along, take your work, and make money from it. Especially when it takes practically no effort to set up a basic merch site, and suddenly other people's work is making you money. I know most people wouldn't care, and would probably see it as a compliment, if anyone used their stuff for something else that was also free. But when someone starts making money off it, it becomes a very different matter.

I think the correct way to go about it, if the community decides it wants one "official" store, would be to have a trusted person or group of people run it, and have any and all profits put back specifically into uncyclopedia, in the form of funding for PLS prizes, or other new competitions etc. (photoshopping contest?). We might even be able to talk wikia into a http://store.uncyclopedia.org or something if there's demand for it. But if it is to be done, it has do be done right, and that has to involve the community. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 20:45, 12 Nov 2007

Got It. How about we open up like an online pot where only admins are allowed to take money out of the pot. --NXWave 21:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Because we don't want Savethemooses giving himself "donations". You know, I'm starting to think he doesn't even care about the mooses. Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 21:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Couldn't we just IP ban him and change his account info? Cause that's really easy to do. Plus the Online Pot could be integrated into the donations page, So we can have money for prizes such as a $7 amazon gift certifate for the next Poo Lit Suprise Winner. --NXWave 23:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)