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As requested... a chance to test and comment on the new article rating system we've been working on. The test wiki is at: http://fp002.qa.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

This wiki doesn't use the Uncyclopedia user database, so you may have to make a new account if you want to test logged in (unless you already have a Wikia account of course).

If you have any questions, comments, bugs, ideas... please let me know. I'm on IRC just about all day today, or will pick up comments here or on my talk page. Have fun! -- sannse (talk) 09:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, there is also a test version of the polls extension on that wiki. Please play with that too http://fp002.qa.wikia.com/wiki/Poll_test -- sannse (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

A quick play reveals that the {{title}} template covers it up, and also doesn't properly cover the title any more, as the voting box pushes the horizontal line down a bit. I don't think it'd be too difficult to change the positioning of the box, but otherwise it seems to do its job.

I'm trying to decide whether a straight number higher or lower would be preferable to out-of-five, or x-up/y-down or something. I've always liked stars for rating stuff myself. But I've no idea what it would take to do these things, I ain't no programmer.

Oh, and is there going to be any more special pages other than the Top10 thing for seeing how well the articles are rated? Unless there's more already and I'm just blind...

I think that's everything I can think of. As least everything that's not completely stupid. Might play with it more later, see if I can break it more. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 11:06, 27 Nov 2006

I'm trying to get the top 10 made into a top 50/100/6M ... but am not sure of what extra server resources would be needed (I'm not a programmer either). There is probably a way to translate say > 500 votes into 5 stars ... I'm not sure which would be best. Maybe this could be a future refinement, to give the ability to switch between a count and stars?

On other special pages, they might not be ready for this first version, but they would certainly be possible as upgrades. What sort of thing did you have in mind? -- sannse (talk) 09:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Bottom 50/100 would be nice for huffing purposes. Also, it'd be nifty if Randompage paid attention to the page ratings (higher-rated = better chance of appearing?). --Algorithm 11:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Chugga chugga chugga chugga WOOT WOOOOT chugga chugga chugga chugga.- 15:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, sure, but do you really think it would improve the feature? I think it might be just far too purple. -- sannse (talk) 09:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Possibly, but be careful not to discount the courage of the human spirit. 10:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

My rating page was a runaway hit http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_best_thing_ever 10:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Since I'm far too lazy to register an account over there, some questions:

• Are the votes tied to the page, or to the revision?
• If voting is per page, can users change their vote to reflect changes in quality?
• How many times can a user vote on a page? How does this affect the overall score?

--Algorithm 11:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• To the page.
• Yes, you can change your vote at any time. Voting removes the arrow you clicked, clicking on the remaining arrow removes your vote and resets the arrows. you can then vote again (either in the opposite direction to before, or the same direction if you are just the indecisive sort)
• Each user gets one vote (or, as I said, can reset to vote again). Anon votes are not allowed (you get directed to a page telling you to log in to vote). Sockpuppet votes may be a problem... we don't currently have a way to log votes for checkusering. We would have to look out for that.

-- sannse (talk) 18:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

this feature should be really cool. it's yet another step forward towards egalitarianism, democracy, meritocracy, republic governance (down with the chronarion!), anti-fascism, anti-cabalism, anti-holier-than-thou-ism (and a few more bombastic forms of social contracts that i'm forgetting right now). really, the whole thing makes me cry. we look forward to this change! (don't forget to credit my account with the $1000 wikia bought my vote for. this post is without prejudice to my right to strike out my comments after posting them regaining sobriety) -- mowgli 19:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC) CHEATS! -- mowgli 05:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

At QDb, most of the ballot-stuffing is predominantly self-regulating (ie, people vote down stuff that doesn't belong at the top of the list. I ran some um... experiments early on. I don't think this is something we'll have to worry about.--<<>> 01:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Some more questions/suggestions:

• How does deletion affect the votes? Would deleting then restoring the article have the same effect as deleting then recreating it?
• Is there a way to reset the votes? For example if a bad article gets voted down, then rewritten into a good article, I assume it retains the bad score from before? An admin option of resetting votes would be good, though a log might be needed for this.
• When I mentioned more special pages above, I meant more thing to do with the ratings other than look at them. e.g. longer highest/lowest rated article lists, most rated, recently popular etc
• I think having an out-of-five-or-something system would be better for new users, as with just numbers they won't know how big a number makes a good article. Also, a "based on x votes" would be good, though it wouldn't fit in the current box.
• I second Algorithm's suggestion that rating should have an effect on the random page function. Better than weighting new pages more heavily.
• That's all I can think of at the moment. Should be good, but needs a little bit more fine-tuning before implementing it I think. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 23:59, 28 Nov 2006

• Deletion resets the vote. Restoring doesn't restore the vote. As far as the count is concerned, a deleted/replaced article is a new article.
• See above - looks like a handy way of reseting - just delete and restore.
• I think the thing here is to make a list of wanted pages, and we can look at whether they are possible to implement in future versions. I think v1 is going to be basic (although usable)
• Both sound good ideas - maybe the "out of five" and an option (different wikis may want different styles). Perhaps the no. of votes could be shown elsewhere (we are trying to make the interface as international as possible to reduce the amount of translation needed)
• I'll pass on this sugestion too - I've no idea how easy it would be to implement of course, but it sounds a cool idea.

-- sannse (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool. I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining too much about it by the way, it's great we'll finally be getting a rating system! • Spang • ☃ • talk • 19:41, 29 Nov 2006

Sign below to approve this rating method as is (as in, supporting implementing ASAP)

• For. God, I love this.--<<>> 22:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• No, it's not ready yet. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 23:59, 28 Nov 2006

Ok, but I'm just making it absolutely clear that when you guys are finally ready to implement this, so am I.--<<>> 00:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, when it's ready, it'll be a for, definitely. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 19:41, 29 Nov 2006

• For ASAP means after taking into account spang's practical suggestions (that IMO shouldn't takes too long to build into the feature) -- mowgli 05:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Huh? We're talking about something else now, but I'm not sure what.--Witt, of UNion Entertain me* 00:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• ASAP STAT BYOB -- » Sir Savethemooses Grand Commanding Officer ... holla atcha boy» 05:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• NOW NOW NOW. If it is slightly flawed, we can just implement an update when that's available. --User:Nintendorulez 20:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Thunbs up. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 15:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It's here!

OK. In the next few minutes, this is going to be turned on for uncyclopedia. Two important points:

1. This is version one, not a final version. Things like making this namespace specific, making the format more interesting, and fixing the problem with {{title}} will follow. The idea here is to get you all to try it out more fully, in a real environment, and see what needs to be done to improve it.
2. This can be turned off instantly by adding the following to the site CSS (or your personal CSS if you don't want to see it)

div#votebox {
 display:none;
}

So please see how it works, let me know what you think, and let me know if there are any bugs or other issues that need fixing. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC) 14:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, not a few minutes... there were unexpected errors, that didn't show on the test wiki. They are looking at why now. -- sannse (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

/me pisses self in anticipation for this, the moment he's been waiting for for almost a year now.--<<>> 15:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

/me craps self in anticipation for this, the moment he's been waiting for for almost a year now. --User:Nintendorulez 21:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

So how long is 'a few minutes', anyway? --User:Nintendorulez 22:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Holy poop, this is gonna be AWESOME!!! -- » Sir Savethemooses Grand Commanding Officer ... holla atcha boy» 22:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Sometime Tomorrow, it appears... Then STM's articles will shoot to the top of the list, "somehow."--<<>> 22:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't wait to see the public speak on things like Euroipods and BENSON. --User:Nintendorulez 22:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Remember you'll be able to vote on userpages too! Vote Spang! But if it gets voted negative, I'll ban everyone. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 01:50, 20 Dec 2006

Good plan.   t o m p k i n s  blah. ﺞوﻦ וףה ՃՄ ண்ஸ ފއހ วอฏม +տ trade websites 02:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the "stars vs. numerical score" issue, I have a convoluted suggestion: The numerical scores will be in constant flux as input will be constantly changing both the relative rankings, and the minimum and maximum numerical scores. As more users vote, the trend will be for all the numbers to rise, so eventually, everything could be >500 (to use the example from above.) What we need is a math subroutine that'll divide the overall score spectrum into discrete "bands" with a number of stars assigned to each band. For example:

Vanity Unfair is the bottom ranked article, with a current numeric score of -500(min), and

Adminatti 900LX is the top ranked article, with a current numeric score of +500(max), and

Shameless Article Whoring has a current score of 50(article score), so

stars=int((article score-min)/((max-min)/5)+1) (BASICally put) and the article has 3 stars.

This will assign 1 star to the 0%-20% range, 5 stars to the 80%-100% range, with 2, 3, and 4 stars falling in the bands between. Given the current max, min and article score numbers, the stars could be dynamically calculated as the rankings change. Just sayin'  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 06:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Here we go with another try....

Eep! -- sannse (talk) 09:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Humm... formatting not quite as planned ... sannse (talk) 09:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Formatting is now pretty. The main bug so far is that it is not working in the Unnews namespace. It might be best to turn it off there for now, although I'll wait a little until I see when Inez will be able to look at that -- sannse (talk) 13:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I just managed to vote on an article in UnNews space, but the five others I've just voted on don't seem to be going through - David Gerard 14:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I voted on an UnNews article and it shot the score up from 0 to 20. Upon refreshing my vote vanished completely. Also, pages that override the title don't show the voting box. - Nonymous 14:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh yeah - my vote set the total to 18 - David Gerard 15:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I've removed it from Unnews for now, so it's just active in the main namespace. -- sannse (talk) 19:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

When will it be added to other namespaces? --User:Nintendorulez 22:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It was in all namespaces. I think it was Sikon who removed it from everywhere but main and Unnews, sensibly in my opinion, that's where it should be. -- sannse (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

What about Game:? UnTunes:? Unbooks:? Undictionary:? I think it should just be on most/all namespaces. --User:Nintendorulez 16:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Your choice. "You" being the community of course. It can be set via the .css, as Sikon did - althouhg I think we will eventually need to write in a special page to prevent work-arounds like Spang's ;) -- sannse (talk) 18:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it still up? I'm not seeing anything, there's a blank white box that I can see when I highlight the page header, but nothing more.   t o m p k i n s  blah. ﺞوﻦ וףה ՃՄ ண்ஸ ފއހ วอฏม +տ trade websites 03:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

In the main namespace? You should still see it there... -- sannse (talk) 09:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh my

From the source of this page:

<h1 class="firstHeading">Forum:Rate this forum post
...
</h1>

Shouldn't you probably use some other way of getting the box up there? Another script that uses getElementsByClassName("firstHeading") to change the title will overwrite the box completely. Perhaps a float:left would work? - Nonymous 14:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

We need some way of making this work under {{title}}. --User:Nintendorulez 20:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Yay Sikon for fixing this! -- sannse (talk) 21:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Changing Your Vote

So, you can retract your vote: If you vote +, you can reset it by voting -, but that just puts the score back to what it was when you arrived. You should be able to enter another - vote to subtract 1 from the score (in this example. . . Invert all the signs for the opposite problem).  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 10:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

You can, once you have removed your vote (up or down) it should be reset for you to vote again. Are you not seeing both arrows available after removing your vote? -- sannse (talk) 21:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I see both arrows, but it won't let me vote contrary to my initial vote.  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 22:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

What browser (and version) are you using? Do you have the same problem on the Toys Wikia? Others: Can anyone else see the same effect? Thanks -- sannse (talk) 08:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

IE7. I don't have (or really need) an acct. on the toys wikia, and it won't let me vote. I just tried a few random pages here, and this is what happens:

1. Click up-arrow - circular animation pops up - number increments - animation quits
2. Click down-arrow - Animation starts - number decrements - animation quits
3. Click down-arrow - Animation starts. . .

It seems to make no difference whether I start with an up or down vote, either way it won't let me change my vote even if I reload the page, or shut down my browser between steps.  Sir Tooltroll, Esq. CUN • Eh? • Oh! • UnTunes! •• I my cat! 09:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I see it with IE7, thanks for the report, I'll add it to the feedback now. -- sannse (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Upvote me!

I'm thinking of making some sort of substub that simply says to upvote it, and we'll see how high we can get it. Anyone like the idea? --User:Nintendorulez 21:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

How about just leaving links to the vote-up page all over the place? I mean, all it would take would be to leave such a link in the sitenotice for a little while to get several votes... • Spang • ☃ • talk • 23:31, 21 Dec 2006

A-HA! THAT'S how you made the Top 10! I was wondering, because I redirected you to whore since you were in the top 10 without an article, but then it said zero. I was so confused!--<<>> 22:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't actually add it to the sitenotice. At least I haven't done that yet. I may do that if my page starts dropping down the list. Then again, I've heard rumours that people don't like me abusing sysop powers, so I might not do that. All those votes have either come from that one link above and one time I posted it in IRC. And it's not so much whoring as a practical demonstration of the abusability of the current voting system. It also showed up a bug that causes the top10 pages to ignore namespaces, which would have been not so great for unnews articles etc, once voting on them is enabled properly. See, my whoring is useful! • Spang • ☃ • talk • 22:50, 23 Dec 2006

/me bows to the superior whore.--<<>> 22:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

{{title}}

Should be fixed: the title is now rewritten using JavaScript. Which means no more ugly absolute positioning and no problems with the sitenotice. - Sikon 08:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Joy!--<<>> 13:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool! -- sannse (talk) 21:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Meh.   t o m p k i n s  blah. ﺞوﻦ וףה ՃՄ ண்ஸ ފއހ วอฏม +տ trade websites 19:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

~_~, 21:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

problems

somehow i cannot up-vote the score on 9/11 (video game): the counter goes into an infinite loop (i think). can you? -- mowgli 19:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ye-es, but it went all the way to +39 when I clicked the up arrow. Then I voted it down to 37, which I'm pretty sure is still a bit overly positive. Granted, the visuals are nice, but the government micromanagement system is awful. —rc (t) 21:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that, it reset itself to zero... —rc (t) 21:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

That's happened to me a few times, all on sub-pages. More for the techies to fix! • Spang • ☃ • talk • 22:23, 24 Dec 2006

Sub-pages eh? Also added to the list -- sannse (talk) 22:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

What about UnNews?--Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 06:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

That's reported -- sannse (talk) 22:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)