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Hey, I'm trying to help out and COMPLETELY organize the categories related to UnNews. Who knows the most about categories and category like stuffs?

I've already asked for input from other areas but what I need here is detailed knowledge on the whole world of categories... can there be a separate sub-section of categories at all? My questions abound.  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  27 Mar 2010 ~ 04:20 (UTC)

I believe Sycamore, MadMax, and Sockpuppet of an unregistered user [and Spang of course) know a good bit about categories. And what do you mean by a "separate sub-section of categories"? --Mn-z 16:18, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

This is a good question indeed, one I'm not sure I've completely formulated in my head yet.

By sub-category page I mean one not part of the main categories area. Separate & apart. I don't think there is/can be one, but the possible existence of one would change some of the thoughts peculating in my head right now. (Basically I was thinking of not flooding the main categories area with a bunch of new categories if they could be kept separate.)  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  27 Mar 2010 ~ 20:43 (UTC)

Or you could, you know, write an article. --UU - natter 21:08, Mar 27

What an outlandish idea. Whatever will you think of next, UU? ~ 21:12, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa! F that noise.  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  27 Mar 2010 ~ 23:37 (UTC)

Doing that would be possible; however, that is not how the category tree is set up. It is supposed to (and more or less is) in a "tree form," so that everything is a sub-category, sub-sub-category, or sub(*N)-category of Category:Everything. Basically, what sort of categories are you planning on creating? --Mn-z 00:00, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm looking to create a subset of categories for UnNews, but it sounds like it would necessitate an entire new category tree to be built. Would something like that cause too much confusion and heartache?  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  28 Mar 2010 ~ 00:03 (UTC)

(I guess the reason I'm even considering it is because when I start to add a category at the bottom of any page now it gives me a list of possible categories based on the letters I've already typed into the field; if we added 75+ categories related to UnNews this would skew the results when someone was classifying mainspace articles.)  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  28 Mar 2010 ~ 00:06 (UTC)

That is auto-fill, and I don't think there is a way around that, and more importantly, it is not much of an issue. Basically, it is there to prevent red links due to spelling errors, incorrect capitalization, and the like. I.e. so I categorize to Category:Video games, and not Category:Video Games or Category:Emo and not Category:Emos. (A redirect won't work correctly in category space if your wondering). It isn't there is "suggest" categories, so having 75 (or 750) unNews categories won't be an issue. --Mn-z 00:14, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Good to know. I won't worry about that then. So is Category:Everything really the top category? (I think I need to find the wiki pages built to expain categories now ... I can't even begin to formulate the other questions that are banging around in my head right now.  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  28 Mar 2010 ~ 00:39 (UTC)

Redirects do work within categories. Also, technically there's no such thing as a sub-category, they're all just categories. A sub-category is just a category that has been categorised itself. It's possible for two categories to be sub-categories of each other, so it's not really a tree as such. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 00:53, 28 Mar 2010

Upon further research, it appears that Category:Categories is in fact the top category. However, all the categories in Category:Categories are also in Category:Everything except Category:Unusual Categories. Therefore, Category:Everything is for all intents and purposes, a top level category.

With respect to category redirects, they do "work", in the sense that it redirects to another page. However, it does not move the content of the category, so from the reader's perspective, anything categorized to the redirect is essentially hidden. Spang is right about there not being a "tree" as such, it is more a web, but there is a general tendency to move from broad to narrow categories, with some exceptions. Also, a category can actually be a sub-category of itself. --Mn-z 01:05, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ah but Category:Categories is also a sub-category of Category:Categories created by people with too much time on their hands, which you could argue also includes every category on the site. There's no "top" category. Just add any and all categories that fit. Oh and looks like category redirects worked for a short while, but the feature was removed as it was buggy. Ah well. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 01:18, 28 Mar 2010

I meant its the top category in the sense of going from broad to narrow. Of course, the category system effectively works like a web as much as a tree. Much of the category categorization has been rather hap-hazard, if not done randomly. --Mn-z 01:26, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

That clears it up perfectly. Thanks.  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  28 Mar 2010 ~ 08:20 (UTC)

So... what kind of categories did you have in mind, Happytimes? Categorized by subject, like UnNews Politics and UnNews Mad Science? Or by country, like UnNews America and UnNews Belgium? The only problem with doing that would be the massive amount of work needed to correctly categorize all the UnNewses. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 23:07, 5 April 2010

Noting that I have all this week off, massive amounts of repetitious work is no problem if I was told what needs to be done. And no gay jokes. Those are gay. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 23:27, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yes.  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  06 Apr 2010 ~ 06:36 (UTC)

I hate it when

I hate it when no one comments on my stupider stupid jokes.

what kind of categories did you have in mind, Happytimes?

... both categorized by subject and by region. Not necessarily by country per se, but almost by continent (like on the Risk board game maybe?)

From the original creation page: "... Category:Antarctica, Category:Africa, Category:Asia, Category:East Asia, Category:North America, Category:Middle East, Category:Central America, Category:South America. Just copy and paste the one(s) you think apply(ies) in the space following this arrow.".

I would think we'd need to add other physical locations such as Europe (or portions thereof), outer space, north pole, and batfuck insane (to represent the UNcategorizable).

This huge list of areas has to be shrunk down for my article generator "game" idea... maybe Category:UnNews Hemisphere North, Category:UnNews Hemisphere South, and Category:UnNews Hemisphere Other as header categories to the above area dump...

...Which then brings us back to, how many categories is too many categories? We can make some really cool templates with a multiple-choice (game-type) article generator but we may have category vomit at the bottom of the page. Thoughts?  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  11 Apr 2010 ~ 03:19 (UTC)

Special:CategoryTree

Found this Special:CategoryTree under Category:Categories which claims to be Uncyclopedia's category "trunk". Helpful so far...  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  01 Apr 2010 ~ 00:47 (UTC)