User talk:Chronarion/archive1

Hello

I'm still pretty new to Wiki. Is this the way to leave you a message? When I signed up it said something about being able to email other users, but I haven't seen how to do that.

I'm also assuming you're the Big Cheese here, that this is your project.

Anyway, I was thinking it might be a good idea to register a domain name for this; uncyclopedia.org is available. If you need any help with hosting or other technical matters, I'm a professional web developer and programmer, so give me a holler. --Darguz Parsilvan 10:19, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)

I'm ze other barnstar hoarder. But yeah, better grab it before someone takes it and tries to sell it back to us. --stillwaters 11:34, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)

If you register the domain and move stuff over, consider throwing a PayPal donation button on the page. You'll never get rich, but popular sites do attract donations. Also, I'm fairly poor, but I could probably kick a few bucks your way to help pay for the domain. --Uvula Donor 12:24, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)

I agree, we need a page for kick-backs --Nytrospawn 19:12, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)

uncyclopedia.org has been secured, but is not yet pointing to the correct address so let's wait a bit. I don't know about a PayPal button. It looks out of place on a wiki and gives the site a very sole-proprietorship feel. Ads are in some ways better, if uh, people would click on them and stuff. --stillwaters 03:58, 16 Mar 2005 (EST)

Plagiarism?

I need a ruling. Could you take a look at the history for the Jesus article? La hapalo deleted some of my material, claiming it was plagiarised, but in fact it is parody. I left him/her a message, but have not heard back. What I wrote is clearly substantially different from the original [1]. Can you revert the reversion?

If the original were unrecognizable in the parody, it wouldn't be parody. Just think of some of Weird Al's material; how close it is to the original. Here are some more examples:

http://parody.organique.com/001.html http://parody.organique.com/005.html http://parody.organique.com/009.html

The last two actually use registered trademarks. Here's a legal definition of parody: http://www.legal-explanations.com/definitions/parody.htm

and guidelines specifically for writers: http://www.writersmarket.com/encyc/p.asp

A lot of my humor is parody. Take a look at the 1903 page I did; it's a direct parody of the Wikipedia page. 99% of the material on this site is parody.

(Message left by Darguz Parsilvan) --stillwaters 04:02, 16 Mar 2005 (EST)

Oh, I most definitely think you could use, "Can't Touch This" to parody OJ Simpson. I again refer to Weird Al. Take a look through his catalog. His parody of "Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm" isn't targeted at the original material. "Fat", "Eat It", "I Lost on Jeopardy", the same thing. The writer's guide I linked above says, "By following the style and substance of the original work, a parody may seek to ridicule, criticize or merely amuse without devaluing the original." (emphasis added)

The JibJab case was interesting. Technically it was dropped because the copyright on the original music had expired. However, even afterward, there was some discussion of whether it is in fact expired; Ludlow doesn't think it is, but dropped the case anyway. I think it was pretty clear that JibJab would have won. As Fred von Lohmann of the EFF stated, "JibJab's fantastic animation is a clear case of fair use." If JibJab had simply released the song by itself, it might have been a different case (though I personally doubt it), but I think the fact that it was contained in a much larger piece of work pushed the issue over the top. Uncyclopedia is a very large and growing body of original material.

I'm not particularly pressing for my original "Jesus" material; I want to re-write it anyway, as it's not really in the pedantic, encyclopedic style that I've been using for my other material.

But this is definitely an issue highly relevant to this project, and I think it needs to be discussed so that it's clear in everyone's minds what does and does not constitute parody. In Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, the US Supreme Court said, "[T]he fair use doctrine. . .requires courts to avoid rigid application of the copyright statute when, on occasion, it would stifle the very creativity which that law is designed to foster." Uncylopedia is very clearly and very emphatically a creative project. As I told La hapalo earlier today, while I am not a lawyer, I think the very fact that this entire site is a parody gives considerable latitude.

Anyway, at the very worst, if someone does get upset with material here, you're going to get a C&D letter. Then you can either C&D, which I wouldn't blame you for, or call the EFF :) --Darguz Parsilvan 14:51, 16 Mar 2005 (EST)

Database error

Hi. Just letting you know that there is a "database error" at Press 2 at the moment

Hope ya don't minde

...my addition to the Bestof template.

If it was a wrongbad thing to do, delete the change if you must. --Savethemooses 17:18, 16 Mar 2005 (EST)

Linking to Uncyclopedia

Are there any nice buttons or something created for linking to Uncyclopedia? I'd like to put a few buttons to http://rukki.net/ to link here if I had the buttons. I really enjoy these pages, you know.

--MZL 06:20, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)

The size would be preferably the standard 88x31. Make a few and I'll gladly spread them here and there in rukki.net. :)

--MZL 04:15, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

Ok, mail me the buttons to mzl at rukki dot net.

--MZL 14:19, 19 Mar 2005 (EST)

Thanks for the button. You're now featured at rukki.net. :)

--MZL 06:31, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

SysOp

(Re: Message me when you get back / Community Portal)

I'm back. --Paulgb 17:02, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)

Thanks --Paulgb 18:17, 20 Mar 2005 (EST)

Misspelling engine prevention?

I've pretty much cleaned up the misspelling section of the maintenace pages. Now I face a problem. There are some misspellings that really should be there in order to make documents funny. (e.g. in mispelling) Are there a way to tag these words/lines so that the misspelling engine won't find them?

--MZL 04:51, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

Too bad... My thought were that there could be some tags that would "allow" write misspelled text. (e.g. <spell>Teh leet</spell> )

--MZL 09:06, 21 Mar 2005 (EST)

Yet another (bad) idea

I just come to have a thought about Uncyclopedia communities... How about starting an IRC channel for Uncyclopedia? At least the channel #uncyclopedia in IRCnet is still available. (Sorry. I'm good at having multiple bad ideas at the same day.)

--MZL 05:03, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

I started the channel. If you want to advertise it in Uncyclopedia, the channel is #uncyclopedia @ IRCnet

(I'm fast becoming an Uncyclopedia activist. I love this place. :D )

--MZL 14:19, 19 Mar 2005 (EST)

Pictures and Links

I noticed today a couple of articles with pictures displaying via external link. (Check out The Beatles for example.) Is this OK or should we be encouraging image uploads instead? --Uvula Donor 16:54, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

Doh, definitely not okay. For one, that leeches bandwidth off other people's sites. Big netiquette violation. --stillwaters 18:07, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

That's exactly what I thought. Think I'll go do some house cleaning. --Uvula Donor 20:43, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

Favicon

I've made a potato favicon for the Uncyclopedia (favicons are the address bar/bookmarks icons that show up instead of the default "page" icon in Mozillio and Internet Exploder. I've tried uploading for you - assuming you want to use it - but ".ico" and ".bmp" are not recommended file formats and the upload is denied. If you want the icon, let me know where else I can upload it (or let me know what extension you want me to put on it to get it accepted. --Uvula Donor 22:36, 21 Mar 2005 (EST)

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Messages oh MY! --Chronarion 18:53, 5 Jan 2005 (EST)

Sign your name with the sign button above if you leave a message.

I think your ego is showing... --SilentConsole 01:49, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

The most confusing part of these pages is that I have no idea whether anyone is actually being serious or just being a nutcase. I like to think the latter.--Chronarion 10:39, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

Is there any way you can put the "Wanted Pages" on the front page? --SilentConsole 18:18, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

My mistake --SilentConsole 01:14, 7 Jan 2005 (EST)

For uploading images, see the Fair Use clause, justification isn't needed... --SilentConsole 16:38, 8 Jan 2005 (EST)

I couldn't find the revert option... SilentConsole 22:47, 8 Jan 2005 (EST)

I don't see the rollback option there, just a diff page. SilentConsole 23:54, 8 Jan 2005 (EST)

Pants MacKenzie is the awesomest name evar!!! err, this is Tino, if you didn't know ^_^ --PantsMacKenzie 14:08, 10 Jan 2005 (EST)

Not sure how I ended up here... Following some random links about wikis and puzzles, I suppose. --Drauh 11:36, 12 Jan 2005 (EST)

Sorry about the screwup again. I forgot againj to reload when I kter the url to make a new page instead of the link I went to. >>Eugman 16:39, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

me going to switch account to stillwaters so move the sysop/etc there when you wake up ^^ --stillwaters 03:28, 8 Mar 2005 (EST)

oh my gods I am such a total idiot that I misspelt my own username when I signed up. Any chance you could spare a lowercase t for a friend? Or is that impossible? --Gadgeophile 22:11, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)

Hi there, I'm guessing you're the bossman here - I made a replacement "stop hand" image for the pages marked for deletion etc. if you fancy using it. It's uploaded as finger.png.--Machinecurse 02:02, 13 Mar 2005 (EST)

Re: meta/linkfilter

I found these two posts on linkfilter. --Darkdan 13:12, 8 Mar 2005 (EST)

Update: Do you want to email the guy who posted it? His email address is here. Of course I can, but I'm a lazy bastard. --Darkdan 13:46, 8 Mar 2005 (EST)

Sorry Chronarian

Sorry for erasing the "2" entry. I was trying to create a new entry, and, well, I'm still not sure how to do that. I'm not quite right in the head.

Math Renderer

That's okay about the renderer not working. I might hack up LaTeX2HTML to render junk for me at my end, if I can be bothered.

--Niko 18:57, 11 Mar 2005 (EST)

a note

hey...nice, um...thing. boyhowdy, um, now or so 11 Mar.

trying

Sad to say i am not young. I just normally dont put much thought into online conversations "sad i know" i was unprepared for what i was getting into i get it now. I will have somethign worth while up soon enough

thank you

Rating system

I'm excited at the possibility of a rating system. When are we going to implement one, and what would we be using? --Savethemooses 22:53, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Hay, when are we going to get an article rating system ok?!?!!? Or I ban you for 24 hours. --Savethemooses 04:49, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Breaking news!

Talk:Main_Page --Savethemooses 23:16, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Sophia

Please revert it and ban the guy who blanked it --Nytrospawn 01:11, 9 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Is there...

...a page that only admins have access to for talk? --Uvula Donor 22:45, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

I believe everything is open in the MediaWiki software, so there probably is no such feature. At least that's the impression I got from Wikipedia. --stillwaters 10:51, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

Oh, well, so much for making fun of people behind their backs! heh --Uvula Donor 14:23, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

duh yourself

what you mean by this outrrrrageous comment about me on VFD? wanna fight me? come on I'm not afraid, I'm a mushroom !Izwalito 00:18, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

sorry about grandma, but english is not my mother tongue, and besides I'm just a mushroom plopping all day. Izwalito 00:23, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

Sorry, but what is "vfd"? I'm new to this. --JHarr 14:23, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

Misc.

Thanks for looking into it. No hurry on that, though, comrade. --Rcmurphy 22:47, 23 Mar 2005 (EST)

ahh!

this new main page is crazy! add good ol sauron somewhere in there; it kinda feels dry at first glance. we'll see how fake current events go, stoked about that one :D --Metaphysical 18:58, 24 Mar 2005 (EST)

Some great Wiki stuff that would be fun to write about... On the Wikipedia frontpage there's also a "Selected Anniversaries" section and a ""Did You Know" section that would be awesome to have on our frontpage. A lot of potential there. --Savethemooses 18:15, 25 Mar 2005 (EST)

Feel free. --Chronarion 01:37, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)

congrats chron

Number of visitors to this site who are disapointed that it contains only light porn content.

good job, you've managed to get a large round number of people to visit this site! congrats my man! and rumor has it, not one legal threat! amazing! ;)

keep it up! this is a great place! exclaimation points abound!! --Metaphysical 16:29, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

yay --stillwaters/Talk 16:58, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

It's practically mainstream already! --Rcmurphy 18:23, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

Woo woo! Raise the vertical planar covering! --JHarr 18:31, 28 Mar 2005 (EST)

Whoa, it still has the old logo...Oh well. Good job anyway. (Good job to Rcmurphy for the new logo too.) --Clorox MUN ONS (diskussion) ☃ 20:02, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Referer logs?

I noticed that the page Banned from the Internet was getting a huge amount of hits, even though not many things linked to it. I think the only explanation would be that there is an outside link somewhere. Do you have any server logs or webalizer or anything that could explain this mystery? --Paulgb Talk 08:09, 30 Mar 2005 (EST)

Preferences Menu

For some reason I cant change the skins, as the radio boxes are unselectable, how do I go about changeing the skins? --Nytrospawn 15:50, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)

New sysop

I made User:Dave a sysop. He had a good edit history and he has been with us for almost a month. Just wanted to check it by with you since it was my first time that I made someone a sysop, and I did it without a vote. Is that ok? --Paulgb Talk 00:09, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A FINE OF 82379287 DOLLARS --Savethemooses 19:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Creative Commies

Is Image:Creative-commies.gif to be ever denied a home? I'd like to nuke them Commies if they're just sat around doing nuttin' --IMBJR 18:39, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Annoying

Are you active? I saw you on recent. Something big and annoying is going on. Involving creating pages like: .TakaM FISSURE SirStabbeth ZoraFan ZoraFan89 ZoraTehEmo Hikij Alex2539 Talk:ZoraFan User:ZoraTehSpriter ZServ

And spamming/blanking: New Zealand Tupac_Shakur

and users like: Special:Contributions/202.0.37.251 Special:Contributions/71.0.34.187 Special:Contributions/FISSURE Special:Contributions/ZoraTehSpriter Special:Contributions/69.168.210.212 Special:Contributions/DBRalph Special:Contributions/216.51.101.63 Special:Contributions/144.139.223.9 Special:Contributions/207.69.137.23

and maybe: Special:Contributions/67.81.67.150 Special:Contributions/70.80.83.210 Special:Contributions/142.166.235.98 Special:Contributions/216.51.101.63 Special:Contributions/209.204.69.158 Special:Contributions/4.253.116.130 Special:Contributions/Moo? Max? Tay Hua Swee?

--Splaka Bur. SG CM © 05:16, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

And Google says...the ZFGC article was linked here: [2]. Much as I'd like to spam their forum, I'll abstain for now. --Rcmurphy KUN 05:42, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh lovely. BTW thanks for jumping on this RC. I spammed Chron first since they were the last admin on the recent list. --Splaka Bur. SG CM © 05:46, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC) PS: The New Zealand history is a mess, someone may need to tediously pick through it to fix it, or just revert it back to the stone age.

Thanks for listing the offending pages and users. It'll make someone's job easier, though I don't think I'm up to sorting it out tonight... --Rcmurphy KUN 06:16, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

10-4 good buddy. I'll update it here (unless I should move it to ban patrol or village dump?). Point someone to it here (or wherever) on the secret admin talk channel in the sky. There is some other stuff going on (a mini blanking war on one page between 2 or 3 users, but seems unrelated). --Splaka Bur. SG CM © 06:24, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I rolled back New Zealand to pre-attack to be sure. I banned 71.0.34.187 for 4 days and 202.0.37.251 for 30 days (ouch), the last I was severe with because this is the user that seems to have caused the most damage over all. Let's see, what else. I fixed the people category. I looked at the activity of some of the other users, but they confined themselves to the ZFGC page, so I left them alone for now. --Marcos_Malo OUN S7fc BOotS Bur. | Talk 09:26, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC) PS: I locked down two pages that showed a lot of activity from the vandals, even after they were deleted by an admin (Zak, I think). I commented out the content, then protected. ~MM

Jax

Here ya go, as per your request. Angie warned us. He is banned from wikipedia (and temporarily from ED) but his contribs seem fine (bit of nudity): JarlaxleArtemis --Splaka 23:19, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Copyright and Un?

Someone made a comment to our IRC channel rather than dropping a message somewhere on the site. They claimed ... well, here's the log (with links and commentary added):

<Marudubshinki> soo..... how do copyvios work on uncyclopedia
Marudubshinki edits wikipedia, and got a counterintuitive result upon using the {{copyvio}} template.
<Marudubshinki> to be even more specific, this image:  http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Image:Wtf_2.jpg
<Marudubshinki> not a very active channel, is this?
Marudubshinki watches the tumbleweeds blow by
Dawg is very confused.
<Dawg> what is the question again?
<Marudubshinki> copyvios
<Marudubshinki> allowed?
<Marudubshinki> not allowed?
<Marudubshinki> what?
<Dawg> allowed, apparently
<Marudubshinki> but why?
<Dawg> but they must be very funny to be violated.

For instance, I see tons of violations of mass media copyrights here. Few successful pages lack such violations. Many pages have copyrighted images, some modified more than others, some unmodified. Copyright is a very vague and difficult subject on the internet. Usually nobody comments about it; it's understood that it may happen and there's little recourse, just hope that the offending party will be friendly about it. Considering how browsers work, the subject is obfuscated beyond reason. When is freely-provided data violating a copyright?

Well, let's go on:

<Marudubshinki> under parody?
<Dawg> yes
<Dawg> is it a photoshop?
<Marudubshinki> oh.but to be under parody
<Marudubshinki> it must be in an article, no?
<Dawg> generally, yes, but not always.  There are always exceptions.
<Marudubshinki> if it is not used in any articles, or anywhere but the picture page, it is not protected by parody, right?
<Marudubshinki> http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Image:Wtf_2.jpg&redirect=no
<Marudubshinki> http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Image%3AWtf_2.jpg

Our database has some corruption that seems to be spreading, which caused this unusual result. This image is used on an article. It is very weak usage, in my humble opinion, but I don't believe I should strike down any/all images used on the site based on weak usage or the fact that an anonymous person said delete it now. If that was true, we have numerous images (almost every one) that are violations, many so blatant they are happily marked as such violations. Even I have uploaded a couple blatant copyright violations and marked them as such. One has been infringed so many times that I cannot identify the original source, so I gave up. I cited the source for the other, though it is also ambiguous - I'm sure I've seen it elsewhere. This one isn't ambiguous at all, at least not on a cursory glance at the site he linked.

<Dawg> it is if it's a parody
Dawg warns you that he is not an official source.
<Marudubshinki> copyright is held by someone else.
<Marudubshinki> the source is [3]
<Marudubshinki> see for yourself
<Marudubshinki> if you are an admin, I'd delete that image
Dawg also disclaims that he is not a lawyer and only has a general understanding.
Marudubshinki would do that on Wikipedia, anyway. dunno about uncylopedia.
<Dawg> I'm a software developer.  In my field, that would actually be legal.

On further inspection, the image itself that was uploaded is too big to fall under this. With images, I usually consider any use where the source is obvious a clear violation, but that's just me, and legally this doesn't usually stand. The version on the page is different enough that it would not be considered a derivative work to my knowledge (again, I'm not a lawyer, but this is common knowledge in my professional field, which is only vaguely defined by "software developer").

<Marudubshinki> copying someones file, not using it, but making it publiclly accessible?
<Marudubshinki> must be a BSD-style license. 
<Marudubshinki> but anyways, I've informed you guys.  laid out why I think it is a copyvio even with parody protection for uncylopedia.  up to youse now.

I feel the usage is weak and I'd delete it without remorse, but the question of copyright interests me. I also fear being seen as a delete-puppet that is at the beckon-call of any anonymous person that claims copyright violation and threatens that I should delete something. This could get very demented if everyone believes they're free to tell us what to do.

So, please tell us what your executive decision is on this subject.

Thanks, » Brig Sir Dawg | t | v | c » 05:38, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Notice I didn't tell you guys to delete it. I said that from my perspective as a Wikipedia denizen, this was an image which should be deleted, and left the decision up to more active and experienced Uncyc users. Strange though, that the whatlinkshere failed to give the page it was used in. That changes things. Marudubshinki 00:59, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)

It really wasn't parody. As I said, weak usage. I'm a hair new to all this, so sometimes it's hard to make a call. It was deleted. » Brig Sir Dawg | t | v | c » 11:51, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)