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Just a reminder that all links to our site must now be corrected to reflect the change of our domain to en.uncyclopedia.co.

I've already updated the Twitter account, deviantART page and our Wikipedia article. If you see any old links that can be corrected (most common are www.uncyclopedia.org and www.uncyclopedia.wikia.com), please do so!

Thanks! Now go eat shit fuckers.

User:Aimsplode/sig6_{01:18 5 January 2013}

Korean and Russian still link to the old site. Both are independents, not sure if they were contacted? Carlb (talk) 01:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so. Who wants to jump the language gap? User:Aimsplode/sig6_{02:07 5 January 2013}

I think we'd better get our own house in order first. Our link to ru: still points to Wikia's fork of their project. Carlb (talk) 00:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sysop on ru:, I've updated the 'en' interwiki. Congratulations, by the way, it's good to know you've moved. Edward^talk 13:09, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia's articles on Uncyclopedia

I see that you updated the URL but Wikipedia still lists the owners of the site as Wikia. I think some people with Wikipedia knowledge need to update our Wikipedia page. For example, there should be something in the History section about the historic events of today. -- The Zombiebaron 04:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Who "owns" us now, ZB? I would assume whoever has our servers does. Is that EMC? User:Aimsplode/sig6_{17:34 5 January 2013}

The community owns the site now. -- The Zombiebaron 17:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

What do we officially call that? The "Uncyclopedia Community"? User:Aimsplode/sig6_{17:44 5 January 2013}

Yes. -- The Zombiebaron 18:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Kamelopedia and Stupidedia

These two are German-language wikis which have exchanged interwiki links with various Uncyclopedias (listed on their main page sidebars). Most non-Wikia Uncyclopedias link back to this pair by using various otherwise-unused German dialects (such as Bavarian) as the "languages" for these two.

Both of these two link en: to uncyclopedia.org, which is outdated; Kamelpedia has us on their main page sidebar.

We currently are missing outbound links to both of them (although they appear in the statistics on uncyclopedia.info's main page under their respective "languages", bar: and nds:).

These are the language interwikis which exist in other non-Wikia Uncyclopedias but not here:

• Afrikaans af: http://niesiklopedia.org/wiki/$1
• Boarisch bar: http://stupidedia.org/stupi/$1
• Беларуская be: http://paudurapedyja.org/wiki/$1
• Dalmacija dlm: http://dlm.neciklopedija.org/wiki/$1
• Føroyskt fo: http://fo.ikkepedia.org/wiki/$1
• Frysk fy: http://unsyklopedy.org/wiki/$1
• Gaeilge ga: http://ga.uncyc.org/wiki/$1
• Galego gl: http://desgalipedia.org/wiki/$1
• Ἀρχαία ἑλληνικὴ grc: http://kakapedia.org/wiki/$1
• Հայերեն hy: http://angragitaran.org/wiki/$1
• Interlingue ie: http://ninciclopedia.org/wiki/$1
• Ido io: http://io.neciklopedio.org/wiki/$1
• Íslenska is: http://is.ikkepedia.org/wiki/$1
• ქართული ka: http://anciklopedia.org/wiki/$1
• Молдовеняскэ mo: http://uichipedia.net/wiki/$1
• Plattdüütsch nds: http://kamelopedia.mormo.org/index.php/$1
• Scots sco: http://scotypedia.org/wiki/$1
• West-Vlams vls: http://kweenipedia.org/wiki/$1

as well as a few non-languages:

• common: http://commons.uncyclomedia.org/wiki/$1
• daemonica: http://daemonica.org/wiki/$1
• illogicopedia: http://en.illogicopedia.org/wiki/$1
• meta: http://meta.uncyclomedia.org/wiki/$1

Illogicopedia links back here using the uncyclopedia: prefix as the language prefixes link to other Illogicopedias.

The following outbound links from en: point to the wrong place.

Currently pointing to wikia (or babel: on wikia in the case of simple), these should be:

• English (self) en: http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/$1
• Latina la: http://uncapaedia.org/wiki/$1
• Русский ru: http://absurdopedia.net/wiki/$1
• Simple English simple: http://simple.uncyc.org/wiki/$1

Currently pointing to here:

• tlhIngan Hol tlh: http://tlh.uncyc.org/wiki/$1

Note that tlh: (tlhIngan Hol) needs to be added to $wgExtraLanguage[] as Mediawiki does not enable it by default.

Of these, the ones which do need to be fixed first are ru: bar: nds: as we do need to ask the operators of those wikis (as well as ko:) to update their links to us. Carlb (talk) 06:49, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

A real carlb sighting? Woah —  (talk) (contributions) Jan 7 2013 05:20

Interwiki.py

I exactly wanted to post the same thing. I know it's totally up to you to decide which ones you are going to add or change. However, we'll appreciate your flexibility in this matter. When browsing through the recent changes, I found RAHB has deleted "unrecognised wikis". What is that supposed be? What is your definition of recognising wikis?

Here all "unrecognised wikis"...

[[af:]][[ast:]][[bar:]][[be:]][[bg:]][[bn:]][[bs:]][[ca:]][[cy:]][[dlm:]]
[[et:]][[fo:]][[fy:]][[ga:]][[got:]][[grc:]][[hy:]][[ie:]][[io:]][[is:]]
[[jv:]][[ka:]][[km:]][[la:]][[lb:]][[li:]][[lo:]][[lt:]][[lv:]]
[[mg:]][[mk:]][[mo:]][[ms:]][[mwl:]][[nn:]][[oc:]][[ro:]]
[[simple:]][[sl:]][[sr:]][[su:]][[sv:]][[vls:]][[tl:]][[tlh:]][[tr:]][[yi:]]

ast:ca:jv:su:yi:

I kindly ask one of you to put them back. Thank you | Cartoonist | Spit it out! | 13:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

My concern regards the pywikipediabot script 'interwiki.py'. That's the bot that looks at interwiki links, sees that a: links to b: which links to c: and d:, then adds the missing links so each of a: b: c: d: links to all of the others.

The 'bot seems to assume that basically the same set of interwiki links is available on all of the languages. On Wikipedia, that assumption makes sense as all of the wikis use meta.wikimedia.org's link table for non-languages and use the same table of language links for all languages of a particular project. If pt: links to nl: which links to en: and gl: which links to fr:, on Wikipedia it will be safe (and sensible) for the bot to link them all together.

Try that on Uncyclopedia? Each project (except the Wikia ones) has control of its own special:interwiki list. Wikia users are less fortunate as Wikia staff typically will *not* add new interwiki prefixes at all. Indeed pt: can link to nl: but pt: <-> gl: was removed in both directions, fr: is Wikia and has a hopelessly-outdated list, en: is incomplete at the moment, nl: is likely OK and that set of en: fr: gl: nl: pt: links turns partially red on a whole bunch of wikis.

At that point, an admin on one of these projects is likely to block that bad, evil 'bot that just put a stack of red links into what were perfectly good articles. Bad 'bot, bad 'bot.

I realise that Wikia has done far worse over the years (at one point, they were spamming "From Template:PROJECTNAME, a Wikia wiki" onto every page fed to the 'bot; the 'bot would add the interwikis and blindly post the page back to the wiki, Wikia spam and all - and some bots were blocked by admins for this).

Nonetheless, we do need the interwiki links at the moment and that need will only become greater as more wikis move. I'm not sure if any interwiki.py instances are currently active (they've been run by various people over the years from various wikis on the uncyclopedia_family.py list) but if we're heading for the level of silliness where the United Nations article can't link to zh: and zh-tw: on the same page because Taiwan is historically a China government in exile, then we're as much of a joke as the real UN and will have to go back to the drawing board to figure how to get the 'bots to work around this mess - something they were never designed to do. Carlb (talk) 16:39, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Wanna run interwiki bots, as Wikipedia users do? interwiki.py can't do that. A new script should be written, one that would 1) download and take into consideration the interwiki table of every single wiki it edits (no interwiki link should be added if this prefix does not exists in the local interwiki table), 2) handle the problem "Wikia sites and Meta sites can have the same prefix pointing at different URLs". Normal interwiki.py makes a list like this: { 'en' => '123 in English', 'ru' => '123 in Russian', 'rev' => '321' }. Interwiki script for Uncyclopedia should do that: { 'en.uncyclopedia.co' => '123 in English', 'anotherurl' => 'another title' }, that would probably fix the mess with wrong links. Edward^talk 17:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd be very surprised if someone where to rewrite an entire section of the 'bot framework just because Uncyclopedia's interwiki links are deliberately misconfigured and broken. Wikipedia gets all the nice new toys it needs as it's a top-ten website, Uncyclopedia gets the hand-me-downs. This thing is called "pywikipediabot" for a reason. Carlb (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

With better communication and interwiki cooperation, this would not be an issue, I assure you. Please, let's work together to resolve such discrepancies instead of snarking about our present situation. -— Lyrithya ༆ 22:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Criteria for removal of interwikis

We ran a survey in July of all languages we could find and made a chart of pages and active users (users who had edited or performed a log action in the past 1-3 months). With a few exceptions for projects with one or two users who really were active in the normal sense of the term and account for spambots taken into consideration, projects with less than 3-4 active users were removed, with weight in determining border cases also added based on number of pages (>500 generally being a good number). This resulted in 49 languages being not recognised as valid projects due to a complete lack of any apparent viability, eight of which were on Wikia and the other 41 on carlb's servers.

It should be noted, however, that due to carlb's servers being down during the initial run, the general criteria were determined primarily according to the projects on Wikia and elsewhere, as we had no data on any on carlb's at the time. After his servers came up later, we then filled in the statistics and applied the existing criteria to those as well.

If you would like, we would be more than happy to publish the results, and if you know of any that may have changed substantially since, please bring it up, as chances are some of it will be out of date. -— Lyrithya ༆ 19:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

And why should you recognise other languages at all? Waste of server space? Cartoonist | Spit it out! | 22:13, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

We link to other projects to strengthen the respective communities and encourage them to work together and grow. Linking to sites with no communities and no growth is not going to help with that and indeed is more likely to turn people off entirely from starting than having nothing at all would be. As it is, many of such projects should be closed entirely - there is no use having ones with less than 100 pages as distinct wikis at all, especially without anyone to maintain them. When there are indeed more dead languages than live ones that does not speak well to the overall project; really the bulk of those ought to be closed - tarred until such time as a dedicated group can commit to them, or perhaps set up on an incubator specifically configured for incubatoring where they will neither give such an impression of desperation nor be so exposed to spammers.

You can see the results of the study here - of those not listed in the top two tables, there are ~15 that fell in a greyer area, but the rest were rather unambiguously dead. -— Lyrithya ༆ 22:44, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

The issues with incomplete and outdated interwiki links have been ongoing since 2006. Wikia in particular all but refuses to update anything. Even when a new wiki was created on their own servers, it would be missing interwikis in both directions for months, or indefinitely. I'd hoped that the move would have resolved some of the Wikia-related problems by ending the situation where only Wikia staff can create outbound links on en: but it appears that it has only created new problems.

The concept of an admin on en: making arbitrary decisions as to whether some other wiki in some other language deserves to exist, all but demanding that a list of smaller wikis be shut down, leaves me a bit uneasy. This creates a substantial number of projects which currently have outbound links to en.uncyclopedia.co even while that site by design does not link back.

It also leaves the risk that a new user will look around this wiki, not realise that an Uncyclopedia in their own language already exists and go to Wikia to create one... effectively forking the projects further as no means are provided to close a Wikia or even to leave info that the project is elsewhere. Certainly that factor is taken into consideration when responding to requests for new languages which may or may not turn out to be of importance. Wikia rejected a request for a Taiwan Uncyclopedia in 2006 as they already had a Chinese Uncyclopedia. We know now how that worked out. China is behind the Great Firewall of China and gets only blank pages, while Taiwan is a viable wiki.

I am not prepared to shut down some wiki with "a hundred pages in Latvian" or something equally obscure if the only consequence is that the next user in that language merely starts the project again... on Wikia. Carlb (talk) 00:29, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Lyrithya: I am really glad that you moved from Wikia. No nonsense, I really am. However, you now crossed a line of something which I can't stand. It's a fly in my eye and it aches. In "the empty boxes" I had put a line on the main page saying people should contact me if they're willing to adopt the project. This had effects on a hand-full wikis, but it hasn't been any success up till now. People edit for a while and just leave without a word. I know that's sad, but the most important thing is that the wiki itself exists. And it exist on a non-Wikia server. In addition you should know everything is supervised. You probably never notice that, but it is. On the Romanian uncyc I discovered to natives who were editing the project and I read they had been asking each other where the admins were. I just gave them sysop rights, de-sysoped the useless ones and left an explanation on their talk pages, hoping this will motivate them to keep editing. In the contrary, our projects offer an immediate approachability, which the WikiMedian Incubator hasn't. Unless you want to undergo a long process of votes and confirmation. Well, that's something I would call desperation. So your argumentation about people who would not edit an empty wiki is speculation and does not rely on measurable facts. That makes me very reluctant to set up further bonds with this project, as Uncyclopedia (or you in particular, since the other admins like RAHB implicitly/unconditionally do what they're told?) seems to ignore the good faith of the international community just like we have never existed... My next question is: where is the consensus that rectifies this philosophy of recognising wikis? I really want to avoid any hostility, just show you are a teamplayer, Lyrithya. /me imagines her dressed up in NFL gear playing cards with... erm... | Cartoonist | Spit it out! | 02:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I apologise for having stuck a dirty object in your eye. Unfortunately I am probably the last person who could adequately address either of your concerns, not in the least because of my personal experience with the both of you, so I shall step out of this matter entirely. I will ask someone else to look into this matter; please try to assume good faith and avoid jumping to conclusions in the meantime. -— Lyrithya ༆ 03:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Meh OK I'll butt in and take over here. Cartoonist: Hit me up on my talk page and we'll work this out. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Tue, Jan 8 '13 4:37 (UTC)

Interwiki table 'local' bit

I just noticed another issue; if I were on the French version of illogicopedia: and I wanted to link to the French-language Uncyclopedia (dÉsencyclopédie), normally I would use [[uncyclopedia:fr: ...n'importe quoi... ]].

When uncyclopedia: there pointed to uncyclopedia.org, that link used to work (at least in this example). It now fails because uncyclopedia: on those servers points here, and fr: in the interwiki table here is not marked as 'local'.

Forward An HTTP request to the local wiki with this interwiki prefix in the URL is:

• no: not honoured, usually blocked by "page not found".
• yes: redirected to the target URL given in the interwiki link definitions (i.e. treated like references in local pages).

The same situation with the 'local=0' status exists for every interwiki in the table.

I can link wikipedia:fr:caca and the results, however unpleasant, will be what I'd expect... la Wikipédia en français. The only way I can do that with uncyclopedia: is to ensure that that prefix points to some version which not only has a reasonably complete interwiki table but also has that pesky 'local' bit set for all other languages of the same project. Taiwan, maybe. Carlb (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

You should probably update the extension documentation to explain that; from the extension itself it appears that bit does something else entirely. -— Lyrithya ༆ 21:14, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Here, on uncyclopedia:, 'local' should be set to 1 for all wikis. Edward^talk 07:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The languages are. -— Lyrithya ༆ 08:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)