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Kim Jeong-eun is right spelling. --Ivoire (talk) 09:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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@MrX: Hey, so why is the last parts of the last names of the North Korean leaders (like Jong-un) in lowercase? is it a joke or just a mistake? I fixed it for Kimmy, but it seems his predecessors have the same issue. WPBS (ping for response) (talk) 19:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wikipedia Be Sucking: I'm pretty sure it's because the last part of their names isn't a name, it's a number. I don't know anything about Korean, but I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that translated into English the names would be "Kim Jong the First", "Kim Jong the Second", and "Kim Jong the Third". DaniPine3 (talk) 19:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @DaniPine3: Hm, that makes sense, but on Brittanica and WP those are capitalized, also iirc, Kim Jong Un is what his name roughly is written (not translated) in English from Korean, so there could be a difference. I do know in that in English suffixes and prefixes in names are capitalized, idk about Korean, but since the name is in English, wouldn't this apply? WPBS (ping for response) (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wikipedia Be Sucking: no idea. I thought that this article wasn't capitalized because in Wikipedia wasn't capitalized either; but now that you menion it, it's true it's actually capitalized there. Although I also found that, according to this redirect, the page was once not fully capitalized before it was moved. No idea why it got moved, though. DaniPine3 (talk) 20:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah Korean names are also (and in my opinion more commonly) transliterated the other way, Kim Jong-un. I didn’t realize that Wikipedia changed it, and I’m not sure why they did. We can do either. MrX blow me
00:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think just changing the title at the top of the page with a template, and finding/replacing all other instances int he article should suffice, I'll get around to it tomorrow. WPBS (ping for response) (talk) 23:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wikipedia Be Sucking: honestly I think there's no reason to change it. "Kim Jong-un" lools better than "Kim Jong Un" to me. DaniPine3 (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I looked into this (by which i mean i just read the Wikipedia discussion about it), and Kim Jong Un is the correct spelling apparently. The same goes for his two definitely-not-monarchist predecessors' names.
02:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Alula: I know this question might sound odd, but how did you do it to add a ":3" at the end of the first comment in that Wikipedia discussion DaniPine3 (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't do anything. In fact, it was added by the person requesting the page move themselves. 02:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Alula: I know that. it was a joke... I just found it funny how they used the :3 in the middle of a serious Wikipedia conversation. I think that's what the youth today calls 'based' :3 DaniPine3 (talk) 02:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think the youth today usually calls slightly worse things, like registered sex offenders (ok maybe Høiby isn't a registered sex offender yet), for based instead. 02:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- it depends on which youth we're talking of, but yeah it's true they often called 'based' that kind of stuff. kind of sad tbh.
btw, I was not expecting to learn a bit of Norwegian lore today, but it's cool I did :3 DaniPine3 (talk) 02:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)- Yeah, grouping people based on age doesn't really work for stuff like this. My example is based on the average teenage boy here in Norway, who unfortunately lean quite heavily toward right-wing populism ideologically (luckily our resident right-wing populist party is just populist and doesn't support authoritarianism, unlike certain others). 03:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- well, I'm glad to hear that your right-wing nutjobs aren't as dangerous as others right-wing nutjobs... let's hope it stays that way for you :] DaniPine3 (talk) 03:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Give it about 20 years and they'll be turning into those exact people. That's what happened in the US, and it'll definitely happen here too, especially when our populist party is polled to be the biggest party right now. 03:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- oh, that's a shame... hope it gets better, then :] DaniPine3 (talk) 03:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alula, you coulda put Prince Andrew or Diddy instead of Marius Borg Høiby for "offenders". WPBS (ping for response) (talk) 05:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- oh, that's a shame... hope it gets better, then :] DaniPine3 (talk) 03:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Give it about 20 years and they'll be turning into those exact people. That's what happened in the US, and it'll definitely happen here too, especially when our populist party is polled to be the biggest party right now.
- well, I'm glad to hear that your right-wing nutjobs aren't as dangerous as others right-wing nutjobs... let's hope it stays that way for you :] DaniPine3 (talk) 03:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, grouping people based on age doesn't really work for stuff like this. My example is based on the average teenage boy here in Norway, who unfortunately lean quite heavily toward right-wing populism ideologically (luckily our resident right-wing populist party is just populist and doesn't support authoritarianism, unlike certain others).
- it depends on which youth we're talking of, but yeah it's true they often called 'based' that kind of stuff. kind of sad tbh.
- I think the youth today usually calls slightly worse things, like registered sex offenders (ok maybe Høiby isn't a registered sex offender yet), for based instead.
- @Alula: I know that. it was a joke... I just found it funny how they used the :3 in the middle of a serious Wikipedia conversation. I think that's what the youth today calls 'based' :3 DaniPine3 (talk) 02:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't do anything. In fact, it was added by the person requesting the page move themselves.
- @Alula: I know this question might sound odd, but how did you do it to add a ":3" at the end of the first comment in that Wikipedia discussion DaniPine3 (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I looked into this (by which i mean i just read the Wikipedia discussion about it), and Kim Jong Un is the correct spelling apparently. The same goes for his two definitely-not-monarchist predecessors' names.
- @Wikipedia Be Sucking: honestly I think there's no reason to change it. "Kim Jong-un" lools better than "Kim Jong Un" to me. DaniPine3 (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think just changing the title at the top of the page with a template, and finding/replacing all other instances int he article should suffice, I'll get around to it tomorrow. WPBS (ping for response) (talk) 23:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah Korean names are also (and in my opinion more commonly) transliterated the other way, Kim Jong-un. I didn’t realize that Wikipedia changed it, and I’m not sure why they did. We can do either. MrX blow me
- @Wikipedia Be Sucking: no idea. I thought that this article wasn't capitalized because in Wikipedia wasn't capitalized either; but now that you menion it, it's true it's actually capitalized there. Although I also found that, according to this redirect, the page was once not fully capitalized before it was moved. No idea why it got moved, though. DaniPine3 (talk) 20:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @DaniPine3: Hm, that makes sense, but on Brittanica and WP those are capitalized, also iirc, Kim Jong Un is what his name roughly is written (not translated) in English from Korean, so there could be a difference. I do know in that in English suffixes and prefixes in names are capitalized, idk about Korean, but since the name is in English, wouldn't this apply? WPBS (ping for response) (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
