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I have proposed that all Uncyclopedias not hosted on Wikia, including this one, have a common database in which to store interwikis. This database will be tentatively called Uncyclodata. This will make it easier to maintain lists of interwiki links, as only one list will have to be maintained for each topic rather than many lists. It will also more closely link the various Uncyclopedias to each other. At the moment lists of interwikis are primarily maintained by hand, and many articles do not contain the full set of interwikis to corresponding articles in other languages. With Uncyclodata, as long as all articles were contained there in the same list, all these articles would be automatically linked to each other and it would be far easier to find the article in a given language from any other.

This will not work for Wikia wikis because Wikia staff alone controls the interwikis and they would probably not agree to such a project; that is, if they could somehow be contacted, which is also not guaranteed. For that reason, many Uncyclopedias will be excluded from Uncyclodata and will still have to be linked manually (e.g. French, Spanish).

As some Uncyclopedias are unwilling to link to some others at all (e.g. Portuguese to Galician), a feature has been proposed to allow any one wiki to disable the automatic interwiki link to the other wiki. This should satisfy concerns of one Uncyclopedia being too different from another to be linked from it. However, I sincerely hope that in the end all Uncycs will decide to link to each other, regardless of differences in policy and article quality. The Wikipedias have varying rules and policies, but they all still link to each other because they have the same fundamental purpose. The Uncyclopedias also have the same fundamental purpose as each other; why, then, should they not be interlinked?

See the original proposal and discussion for more details. See also Wikipedia:Wikidata for the corresponding project on Wikipedia that served as my inspiration. Please note that Wikidata is intended eventually to contain far more things than Uncyclodata (infoboxes etc.); I think we only need the interwiki part, as other data does not have to be factual here and tends to vary from wiki to wiki. – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 15:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello anyone? I'd like to get your input on this. – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 17:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay

I officially authorise this. Now when do you pay me? --ShabiDOO 21:06, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know. – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 18:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
No uncyclodata until Shabidoo gets paid! --ShabiDOO 23:21, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

So...

Are you volunteering to implement this? If it's there and it's usable and it's stable and there's a reasonable governance system I suspect folks who can (as in those who have some control over their configuration) would probably use it, but it'd take some doing to set up and maintain, both in terms of software and content. -— Lyrithya 02:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't know how to implement this. It hasn't been created yet - it's just a proposal right now. Yes, it would take some work. Wouldn't I need some sort of special rights to set it up myself? Even if I were allowed to mess around with the necessary code I still don't have any idea how I would go about it, short of pasting in things someone else wrote.
Assuming someone with the rights and expertise sets up the database I am happy to move interwikis into it. Until then though I can't say. Sorry. Is that anything like the answer you were looking for? – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 18:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
If you are planning to create a thing that can be plugged into various Uncyclopedias it would probably make sense to make it universally workable and then instruct each individual wiki on set up, instead of personally messing around with each site's codes. If you need a wiki to test stuff on you can download MediaWiki for free, or we may have a test wiki lying around the server somewhere. This way you will not need any special permission on any site and each community will have full control of stuff. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 20:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
You'd probably need to write an extension for that. Something like how centralnotice works, where all the involved wikis would have it installed, but only one of them would be set to have the data itself, with the others configured to just pull that data from that one. The MediaWiki community welcomes new developers and extensions, so you'll probably want to get developer access with Wikimedia so you can put it into the main repositories and stuff. Either way (since as Zombiebaron says, all you really need to do is download the MediaWiki software and start poking it), this should help you get started. -— Lyrithya 21:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Can't I just copy or download the Wikidata extension and apply it to Uncyclopedia? I don't think I should have to write anything new, just tweak what we already have around. I also don't understand why I would need developer access with Wikimedia - we're not part of them - I think - so what good would it do if I had special access there? I'm having a hard time getting this through my head. – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 00:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
The reason why you would want developer access from Wikimedia is, I believe, because they will provide some kind of help. They are the people who develop new things for MediaWiki, so if you want to develop a new thing for MediaWiki talking to them would be a good place to start. Also, as I already said, it will be easier if you can provide something that other people can "just copy or download". -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 17:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Let's see here...
So the idea is that I would be developing a new Wikidata extension that would be part of MediaWiki and easily downloadable. I think I understand now. I suppose then that we would give up on the idea of creating a new wiki that was exactly like Wikidata and somehow installing the necessary code on the other ones, or whatever; I can't really object to that. It would simplify the issue, I think.
Now there is still one thing I don't get - I think one does actually need special rights to install an extension. I was going to try to install mw:Extension:AbuseFilter on Paudurapedyja to help prevent spam or something. The explanation of it was pretty obscure, but I thought I understood how you installed it. Okay, fine. So I went to the $IP/extensions directory, and it said I didn't have permission to access it. I don't know what permission I would need to access the directory; it certainly isn't one I've got, and I have every permission I know of except oversight, bot, deletion and rollback. So I don't quite see how making an extension would allow us to not need special rights here to set up Uncyclodata.
I also don't know how I would 'download MediaWiki'. Where would I put it? I don't have that kind of permission anywhere as far as I know - you'd have to mess with my user rights or something first. I would really love to know how I would go about downloading MediaWiki things. Can either of you explain? – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 01:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
If you have access to the FTP, just put the mediawiki folder in the appropriate subdomain folder. That is, after you have downloaded mediawiki. — Capitalis quadrata Y.SVG (talk) (contributions) 01:45:56 2013/07/24 UTC
Oh, if Wikidata supports what you're proposing, all you really need to do may just be sort out how we'd have to configure it and such. I was more under the impression it was for article content and weird js hacks than any of this, so you might want to look into that. As for where you'd put a mediawiki, check out mw:MediaWiki-Vagrant. -— Lyrithya 03:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
What would it mean for Wikidata to support what I'm proposing? I don't think Wikimedia would be all that comfortable with having Uncyclopedia interwikis hosted on Wikidata, if that's what you mean. I was imagining that Uncyclodata and Wikidata would be separate things. What is Wikidata supporting exactly? Do you mean a copy of Wikidata's software that we'd use for the Uncyclopedias, which is what I was going to try to do?
Wikidata is intended eventually to contain a good deal of article content, as I think I said, but Uncyclodata is not. They do share the interwikis bit.
I understand where I'd put a mediawiki now - thank you. I do not know if downloading mediawiki would allow me to figure out wikidata. I suppose though that there should be some piece of Mediawiki that allows for Wikidata, otherwise it couldn't exist. How we can find out what makes Wikidata work remains to be seen until I do some poking. I am not at all sure that there is one specific section of MediaWiki that does it; it would be nice if it were an extension or something but I've not heard anything of the sort, so we don't know.
Assuming I could work out what bits of MediaWiki we need to play with to get Uncyclodata to exist, I still think one or the other of us will need special rights to install it. As I understand things only sysadmins have access to the FTP. – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 17:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

There's an extension for this

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase - but I'm not sure if it's what we're going for. Speaking of, we should also try using a modified InstantCommons to create a centralized image repo. Clicky! Sir CuteReshiramOnTheRadio [CUNPBJ'12PLS(0)Stuy'16] 05:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. I suppose we would either choose a wiki to stick it on or set up a new one and then install the extension. I think that's right - it says it's used for Wikidata, so it should do what we have in mind. I also agree about Commons; we have an 'Uncyclomedia Commons' logo thingy but no actual centralised image repository. If I could just upload stuff to Commons I wouldn't keep having to reupload missing files to local wikis.
Now we just need to figure out where we want to install Extension:Wikibase and then how to stick links in it. – Llwy-ar-lawr (talkcontribslogs) Uncyclopedia is a community site that anyone can contribute to. Discover, share and add your knowledge! UncyclopediaUncyclopediaIllogicopediai:fr:LogimalpediePaudurapedyjaFrithchiclipeidUncapaediaAbsurdopediaScotypedia 22:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)