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So here's my new template I invented template:Random/BS:

Herblore Herblore Herblore Herblore Herblore

Looks good right? Well, it doesn't matter if it does, it's supposed to look weird. If you look in the coding of this template, it uses two other templates to determine random color (template:col) and random word choice (template:mad). I don't want to bog down the pages it's used on, so should I have stuck with directly inputing the <choose> <option> thing or am I doing right by the servers by outsourcing that work to other templates? Or does it even matter?   Le Cejak • <-> 17:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Nobody cares -- Village Idiot♠KUN Free Speech 17:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Nobody cares that Nobody cares.   Le Cejak • <-> 17:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

@ Cajek: Template making != useful. In fact, making several arbitrary templates gets extremely tiresome extremely quickly. You don't seem to have done much in the way of making things humorous, or indeed much article writing at all. You don't do maintenance either. I suggest you stop making so many useless templates and instead concentrate your efforts on either cleaning up crap or writing stuff.-Sir Ljlego, GUN VFH FIYC WotM SG WHotM PWotM AotM EGAEDM ANotM + (Talk) 18:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, isn't that, albeit being truthful , also a bit harsh? I mean he is, after all, a template inventor. --Vosnul 19:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure it comes off as a bit harsh, but I don't want to mince words anymore than I already have.-Sir Ljlego, GUN VFH FIYC WotM SG WHotM PWotM AotM EGAEDM ANotM + (Talk) 19:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't make much of a difference, as the things that's likely to slow it down most is the option tags themselves. But even that only makes a difference if there's a large number on the page. So using a template is just the same as putting the code in directly. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 07:07, 16 Sep 2007

haha, out of 12 people that responded only one answered my question. Thank you Vosnul, and thank you Spang. Frankly, I'm just goofing off-- I write articles here and there, but I'm mostly interested in this random stuff.   Le Cejak • <-> 20:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

That's all very well, but for experimenting with random stuff, it's best to keep it in the userspace. I think that's where this particular experiment belongs probably, so I might go and move it there. To soften the blow, let me point out to Lj that Cajek's template-making hasn't been entirely useless. -- (but) Untrue  Whhhy?Whut?How? *Back from the dead* 22:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I changed my mind - just - after looking at how it's used in Schizophrenic. But the places where it was plastered all over just looked tacky and vandalistic, so I wouldn't recommend using it on much more than that one section of the one page. And the thing I said about doing your experiments in userspace still stands, too. -- (but) Untrue  Whhhy?Whut?How? *Back from the dead* 22:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Lord, you people don't like experiments, do you? I'm just goofing around, why do you guys (not Strange) have to be such jerks about it? It's not for normal pages, it's useful for pages such as schizophrenic and Bat Fuck Insane --  Le Cejak • <-> 22:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You know what the problem is with "experiments"? They often turn into solely what a user does. I'm not against this particular template (in general I make it my business not to care about most non-maintenance templates), but I've just seen you popping up an awful lot with a new template here, a new template there, pretty soon you end up with templates like this cluttering up the server (I refer to the one up top). When these sorts of templates are created, the author is not necessarily going to abuse it, but someone discovering it might just plaster it onto every page they see. I'm sorry to have come off as a jerk, and looking over my initial response it was a bit asinine, and I'm sorry for that too. No hard feelings?-Sir Ljlego, GUN VFH FIYC WotM SG WHotM PWotM AotM EGAEDM ANotM + (Talk) 23:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah man, it's cool. Thank you. --  Le Cejak • <-> 00:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

See what I mean? :D

Oh, and it's impossible to clutter up the server. What is being cluttered exactly? If the template is useful on some pages, then good, it's better than putting the code on individual pages. And templates like {{math}} are very useful, as a user reading an article is likely to be interested in its subject, and an easy link to a lot of other subjects they'd be interested in. Especially one like {{math}}, where they finish the article and think, oh wow, there's loads I need to read here! And getting people interested in reading more articles is never a bad thing. One might even think it's one of the things articles are supposed to do, but hey, that's just me. I have always favoured an article more if it's part of a group or series, and we need more series. Even the rather random ones are good - purely as a reader browsing articles, when you see an article is part of the {{notinmouth}} series, it's funny (though it has to be done right).

And as for the experimenting with templates in userspace, there's no real point, unless you're modifying already-existing and much-used templates, which he isn't. Actual articles are generally encouraged to be in userspace to limit the number of WIPs and unfinished pages in the mainspace, which people could stumble upon through a link or by random page. The same is not true for new template "experiments", as you can't get to one through random pages unless you specifically tell it to look in the template namespace, and the chances of accidentally coming across a work-in-progress template are little to none (unles you're looking for it), the chances of it being used anywhere before it's finished are about i. So the overall effect of such experimenting with templates in template space rather than userspace is about 0. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 05:44, 18 Sep 2007

You and your idealistic views. Everybody wants more pages on their namespace! Nothing makes you feel better than doing a search for your username and seeing thousands of pages that mention you! Granted, when you realize that 99.8% of them were made by you it might cause a little distress, but for that one, brief moment, you felt like you were important. Or that you were being stalked. Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 01:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)