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It seems to me that lately, we've been getting our collective panties in a bundle far too easily. Remember when this was fun? And not about admin drama?
It's great and all that we want to be fair and all that, but puh-leez, it's not that big of a deal. I mean, so what if everything isn't perfect. So what if admins have "too much power" over the "regular users." This isn't some commune where we all vote in bi-weekly meetings.
And why, you ask. It's not fun or funny anymore when everything is bureaucracy. We stick to teh humor. And Sophia. Not to the rules, that's what en.wp is for.
It seems to me that all the admins who object to other admin behavior are the ones who aren't involved very much, who aren't around day to day. So your opinions are valid, but you try to not want to jump off a cliff after five hours of recent changes patrol with a serious attitude.
So whatever! This is supposed to be funny. Boohoo, we hurt his feelings. Oh well! Who cares?

My point: let's just all take a deep breath and remember why we're here.

Nobody wants Uncyc to lose its humor, and me least of all. --KATIE!! 18:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• But wait! My feelings are... wait... oh yeah, they're inconsequential because I'm not an admin. ^_^ My bad! w00t! I'm gonna go catch me a varmint on QVFD! Regular users fo-evah! La, and shit! --The King In Yellow (Talk to the Dalek.) 19:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speaking of breathing, can we get turned into a template with a {{1}} for the person's name? --Keithhackworth MUN 19:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • {{Respiration}}

Certificate of Respiration is hereby granted to: {{{1}}} for his/her ability to breathe. --Uncyclopedia HowTo

1=Name; 2=his, her, or its. What should this be classified as?

• • I know I'm new in the admin game but.. what admin drama? I haven't noticed anything out of the standard drama levels lately. --Sir Volte KUN Talk (+S NS CM Bur. VFP VFH) 19:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'd like to propose a new policy that requires admins to tell us what they're actually talking about whenever they post new topics to the Village Dump. --Some user 19:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• I have no clue either. Sorry. --T. (talk) 19:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• FINE FINE FINE. I'll be explicit. =]
  • Isra et al making a fuss over gimmick nominations/features cheapening longer, more actualized articles.
  • IRC CABAAALL.
  • The vogue opinion of the month: some admins are abusing their powers.
  • Attempts to introduce serious policy.
  • Just taking everything so seriously!! And being dramatic about it.

Dunno. Makes it less fun around here. --KATIE!! 19:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• You breathe too.  :) Personally, I don't like continuously stupid nominations, random banninations for random lengths, or single/unencumbered persons making irc decisions that affect the site as a whole without regard for procedure (Chron doesn't either). I'm not in favour of making this place into Wikipedia, but I won't watch idly, either. The only places you can 'have it your way' are Burger King and Keiteipedia. I started my own wiki. So did Mhaille. Anyone can.  :) --T. (talk) 20:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I have simple solutions to each of these difficult problems! Look!

1. . Isra can chill out, if the admins tell him to. It's the admins' site, and he can leave if he doesn't like what the admins do.
2. . RC can call a Cabal vote on the Cabal if he questions the Cabal's absolute divine authority, but I can't be held responsible if the gods punish him as a result.
3. . There is no such thing as an abuse of admin power, for reasons stated in answer #1.
4. . People get scared and confused when they don't know what to expect, and that is a good thing. Fear will keep the users in line. Fear of the admins and their power-mad mood-swings. You never know when they'll ban a random user for life. You could be next!
5. . If you can't be serious about comedy, you shouldn't be here. Comedy is very serious business. So serious, that most admins ban people who aren't funny after 2 or 3 unfunny postings. Yes, we keep the screws tight on Uncyclopedia. You wouldn't want us to be a hack-job like ED, would you?

....and that's all the sarcasm I've got, for the moment. I'll be back if I find more...--Bradaphraser 20:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Ooh, time for me to weigh in, excerrent!

1. Isra, et al are right and I'm with them 100%; always have been.
2. Cabal? What cabal? There is no cabal.
3. Um, no; there most assuredly is such a thing as admin abuse of power and it does happen occasionally. Also, the admins do not own the site, the community does; that's what the Creative Commons licensing is all about. I'm inclined to believe that some of the admins don't understand that as admins we're more accountable for our actions than regular users, not less.
4. I don't think that we should be too serious about policy, but I do think that we should be serious about our actions and make a point of setting good precendents for Uncyclopedia.
5. If you can't be serious about comedy, you shouldn't be here. Comedy is very serious business.

Quality (or at least potential for quality) is why I come to Uncyclopedia and if someday it turns out that that's not what we're aiming for, I won't be coming here anymore. As of late, I'm still having plenty of fun on Uncyclopedia, though that's because I spend more of my time reading, editing and policing than getting entangled in silly drama on IRC. --Sir gwax (talk) 21:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Since I am mentioned by name, I suppose I should respond:

1. I fully reserve my right to comment about the appropriateness of nominations on the page specifically designated for that. In the future I will refrain from also jokingly saying "you are evil" to Katie. I'll just hit on her instead, which will piss her off more.
2. TINC
3. Admins are human. They do things they shouldn't sometimes. It isn't drama if other people want to correct mistakes. Oh, except for Hymie. He's a robot, not a human. Disagreeing with him is drama. He'll also shoot you with laser beams. Or so I have been told.
4. I completely disagree with Brad. One of the weak points of this site is the fact that the average uninformed user is so completely unaware of how the admins and operate that he believes they act on whim, caprice and malice. We don't don't need to make these things true. Seriously, about the only thing I call drama is when someone explodes and starts saying, "You all hate me! The cabal is out to get me! Why am I the only sane person on this site? Quit being mean, and also delete this page I don't like!" Do you really want more of that?
5. Quality is serious. And if you think this is drama, clearly you've not spent time with theater people.

---Rev. Isra (talk) 22:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I was joking with #4. It appears that didn't come across very well.--Bradaphraser 23:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Come on, brad, this is a time to be serious. You just wrote that so I'd think it was serious and then make myself look like an idiot when you explained the joke. It's a conspiracy. You're out to get me. You and the squirrels. You're in it together. Well you can't take my nuts.. Cuz they're my nuts. And you can't have them. Not even if youhave sporks... (continues babbling incoherently) ---Rev. Isra (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't have time to write much of a response now, but I'd just like to point out that discussion/disagreement != drama. And it's easy to say that admins don't abuse their power when you're not a "regular" user and aren't on the receiving end of admin decisions. --—rc (t) 00:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now, I'll do a numbered list since that seems to be in vogue.

1. See Isra's response.
2. See the previous discussions on the IRC cabal.
3. See gwax and Isra's responses.
4. See my first comment from yesterday

--—rc (t) 03:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

/me is tired of 24/7 IRC debates.
Can we agree that that is tiring? My life is people complaining! Rah. It is not my job to solve everyone's problems all the time...
Just recognize that admins appreciate non-crap too and don't exist for you to complain to and I'll be happy.
Also, as a "regular" user, I absolutely adored the admins. I don't forget what it was like at all. Oh, and RC reverted a change I made once, and put effort into. With rollback! I assumed he knew better because he was almighty admin.
So... Yes... Admin duties need more funny, dagnabbit! --KATIE!! 13:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

You say u were obedient and respectful of authority without questioning??? What kind of American teenager are u?? Well, others do question when they think something may be wrong, and that's the right thing to do. Yep it results in Drama sometimes, but it's also the only key to constructive dialogue. So my respects to Isra. And my respects to RC who being one of the elders admins still considers the position of the simple mortals.--Rataube 02:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)