Talk:Great Britain/Colonization

Merge

Before we get started, I'd just like to say right off the bat that I am  for merging all Great Britain articles (namely the four mentioned in the vote nomination) to Great Britain. —Sir SysRq (talk) 15:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

motion seconded, and we can probably find about a dozen other stubby worthless articles that we can include in the merge. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 16:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

If it happens, they will still all need to be put through VFD as per normal though... MrN 16:34, Mar 30

Definitely  for. But that of course means that the colonised article must be four times more awesome than usual. --^Dame 16:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

MrN, you and your "VFD". Man the fuck up and huff some shit. —Sir SysRq (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I nominated Britain for deletion and redirect. VOTE NAO!!!Saberwolf116 17:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Easy tiger. That's for Saturday. —Sir SysRq (talk) 17:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Just search for "Britain" and "United Kingdom" and observe the massive amount of British articles. We can wait until after the colonization to take care of that though. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 23:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Um guys?

Simple eh?

So I'm just going to mention this (although I did below also). But... Great Britain is the Island. It does not include Ireland (that would be included in the United Kingdom). Wikipedia has a separate article for this and this. We probably should also. For those scared of Wikipedia. Rather like America is the USA right guys? :P From reading the comments on this page maybe it would be better to rewrite United Kingdom? Also... I can't begin to tell you how amusing this is to us Brits. *chortle, chortle* "I say, make me some tea my good man." MrN 15:36, Mar 31

i started with the intro, i tried to base it off the wikipedia page and muck it up a little. i personally don't consider myself dumb, but to this day i have no idea what countries are on what islands, or what are even countires, or what the difference between the UK and england is, or pretty much anything about the region. i guess we should avoid what we ended up doing with jew, and try to go for great britain instead of an american's guide to great britain. if you don't think it's the proper direction to go in then we can try again. you chappies will be able to tell us what works best, seeing as you're somewhere in the bloody great kingdom of something...SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 15:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget also that only Northern Ireland is included in the UK. Something which our friends the IRA have always been upset about. If you want all the Islands in our neck of the woods (including the whole of Ireland and all the little islands) then that would be The British Isles. Oh there is also The Commonwealth which includes many of the countries which we have kinda given back (because we did not want them) but the Queen still struts around claiming that she owns the place from time to time. Well, that would be more The Commonwealth realm, but you get the idea. Clear? OK, chaps. Tally ho! Oh, shit that's French. Dammit!!! MrN 16:05, Mar 31

Don't forget the Isle of Man which, as self-governing Crown dependency, is also not part of the UK...And then there's the Kingdom of Lovely, a micronation set up by comedian Danny Wallace (it consists entirely of a flat he used to live in London); Hay-on-Wye (declared idenpendence in 1977), Sealand (just off the Suffolk coast, declared an independent nation in 1967) and the Crown Dependency of Forvik, a 2.5 acre island just off Shetland. There may be material for humour there. Rabbi Techno kvetch Contribs FOXES 16:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Yea, the Isle of Man is still run by the Vikings if I remember properly. Also. Wales does not count. As you can see by looking at the Bristol Channel we have been attempting to saw it off and float it out into the Atlantic for years. *ducks the swipe from Rabbi* MrN 16:25, Mar 31

you bloody brits are so confusing...you colonized the rest of the world, but you couldn't even sweep up that whole region into 'england', for convenience's sake? SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 16:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

When we finally finished off the last actual Welsh ruler in Wales we slaughtered his army, locked his women in the Tower of London, killed him, nicked his Castle and took it stone by stone to Leeds where we rebuilt it. No point in doing things by halves you know. MrN 16:40, Mar 31

Pob hwyll ty Sais. Further research reveals that this sceptred isle is also shared with Frestonia, an independent nation set up by squatters in protest at the redevelopment of London's Freston Road - where the country is located - in 1977 (a good year for micronations);Llanwrst, arguably independent since the Middle Ages; Lundy, the island in the Bristol Channel, the owner of which declared himself king and issued coins from 1925 but never formally declared independence; Wanstonia, declared independence in 1994 as a protest agianst road building and the Copeman Empire, located on a caravan park in Norfolk - and the Grand Duchy of the Lagoan Isles which is made up of three tiny islands (with no residents) in a pond near Portsmouth, set up in 2005. 'They' even have their own currency. Who'd've thunk it, eh? Rabbi Techno kvetch Contribs FOXES 16:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The problem stems, Gerrycheevers, from the fact that the English don't belong here at all. We British had been here for thousands of years before the English came along in about 600AD and set about joining up the seven nations that previously made up what we now know as England - they managed to do so in 927. There were, it seems, already black people here when the English showed up - Roman soldiers who settled and took up farming. That's always worth knowing about if you ever meet any BNP members, because it really pisses them off. Personally, I say send the English back to Germany where they belong. :-) Rabbi Techno kvetch Contribs FOXES 16:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

There's also the Pictish Free State, which was set up by one Robbie the Pict and which now has a total landmass of 1000 acres. That's worth an article in its own right. Rabbi Techno kvetch Contribs FOXES 17:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Concepts

I really don't have much for you, so I'm gonna struggle to come up with at least one to kick us off.

Proposal	Write this from an American's perspective (not hard for me). As in, be totally ignorant and clueless as to where Britain actually is (perhaps a map showing Britain as being part of mainland Europe? or being all of mainland Europe?), make a big deal about spelling ("o" vs "ou"), and other hilarious Americanisms. So it'll basically be completely wrong information, like "Britain was the first nation in the world," or "Americans are all the descendants of Britains." Score: +5
For	While I'm at it, how about "Britain, aka Europe, blahblahblah..." —Sir SysRq (talk) 17:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC) hesitant for. i like this, and i have some ideas that would work well in this secnario, but i'd like to hear what the chappies from across the pond have to say about it. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 17:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)  For. SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 22:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)  For. Perfectly suited to Uncyc. Full of American ignorance presented as fact. The English invented tea right? -OptyC Sucks! CUN14:50, 31 Mar  Ah, ok. I'd love to make fun of the English, with their drinking and Kilt wearing!=PSaberwolf116 17:35, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Against	Totally not worth it. I suggest writing from an Englishman's point of view or do the entire layout similar to that of Australia is the best!!! and its American counterpart. |Si Plebius Dato' Joe ang Man on Fire CUN|IC Kill | 08:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)  Against. I don't want it to be from an american's perspective, we have plenty of articles on Americans, why can't we just do it in the Wikipedia style, but have jokes about Britain. There are too many articles written from a certain person's persepctive, it gets boring. Lets just tell jokes, I don't want a huge backstory. Scotland and France aren't written from a particular person's persepctive, and they are still funny. --CrabPope 17:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC) fuck it, lets just go with the american thing --CrabPope 14:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Comments	I live in Britain, but I'm not British. And in my experience the Brits can be as ignorant as the Americans when it comes to foreigners. I think we need to find a weak point and hit it hard. But what... Hmmm? --Dame 17:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Great thinking, I agree that we need to find a good weak spot. Perhaps something historic? Their tendency to rape any culture they encounter? Write it in a "Britain is the best!!!" kind of way? —Sir SysRq (talk) 18:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Well, I do think it is rather significant that we are colonising Britain, as they were the ultimate colonisers. Did you know they invented the concentration camp? --Dame 18:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC) rape any culture they encounter that's coming from an American right? Why we ever gave you guys independence I have no idea. This sounds like a good idea to me though. So long as it's got lots of actual factual stuff blended in such that you can't tell which stuff the author thinks is true and which is not. Like for example Margaret Thatcher being the Queen of England... That's something which I'm sure many people thought, but it's funny because it's also what Mrs Thatcher appeared to believe at the time. Also, this using # rather than * is freaking me out man! MrN 18:32, Mar 30 Aye, MrN, that's where I was going with that. And great idea. Also, fixed the #s. —Sir SysRq (talk) 18:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC) I sat up all night thinking of ways to freak you out MrN, and # was the first thing that came to mind. I think we should make the article pompous, cause that fits in to the whole "being British" vibe. There are so many historical facts to mock. Especially the wars. Everyone loves a good war. --Dame 18:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC) So, write it from a British perspective instead? —Sir SysRq (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Yes, but caricature British, like a Brit with a god complex (which is not a far stretch of the imagination). --Dame 18:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC) UnBooks:Johnny Foreigner's Guide to British Humour does do this though... MrN 18:49, Mar 30 "Why we ever gave you guys independence" You didn't give us independence- we whooped your asses. Now then, on the subject, I think this would be redundant. We've already got America is the best!!!, don't we? There could be so many more ways we could do this.Saberwolf116 21:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC) which ever one we choose, I suggest having a big section about Ireland and Scotland (potential for epic humour here), since this is about Great Britain not just England SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 22:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposal	Write it in the style of an egotistical British guy who thinks his country is the greatest on Earth. Kind of like America is the best!!!, but more sophisticated, and obviously, about a different country.Saberwolf116 21:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Score: +1
For	For. Per above.Saberwolf116 21:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)  For. "We decided to leave America because it was boring" that kind of thing right? --CrabPope 21:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC) lets go with the first one --CrabPope 14:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Somewhat, but more along the lines of "a minor skirmish in the colonies led the King to conclude that America was not worth his time."Saberwolf116 22:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Against	Against. For one, I wrote America is the best!!! if that means anything. Probably not. But I think that's a style best left to Americans; as patriotic as Britons can be, I think America is more well known for their jingoistic shenanigans. —Sir SysRq (talk) 22:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Jolly good show! Saberwolf116 22:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)  Against.. I also think we should also remember that this is an article about Great Britain, not JUST England. --Dame 22:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Aye, you have a good point there. However, if we were to use my idea, the narrator would have no idea that there was any difference between Britain and England. —Sir SysRq (talk) 22:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Yes, but there needs to be some reference to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, even if they are described as further colonies or vassal states. --Dame 22:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC) "Other flavors of Great Britain include Ireland, Scotland, and Whales." (intentional misspelling) —Sir SysRq (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Except that obviously Ireland is not part of Great Britain. That would be included in the United Kingdom. But you knew that I'm sure... MrN 00:06, Mar 31
Comments

Images

I like these images from The Former Great Britain I think we can re-use them for the Flora and Fauna section of the new merged article--CrabPope 22:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

This little green bird is a prime example of Great Britainish wildlife.

This Great Britainish Otter enjoys smoking nice long cigars. He probably has more money than you.

Do we really need a Flora and Fauna section? If anyone has ideas for images just describe them on my talk page and I'll do my best to comply. --^Dame 22:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Tuesday - Outline Time

alright folks, head to Great Britain/Colonization and let's get started. looks like we're going with "write this from an american's perspective", so let's run with that and see how it works out. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 15:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

We need an admin to change the name to United Kingdom, because Great britain is just the island, and as such does not include Northern Ireland and all the other small leftover colonies. --CrabPope 21:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

"I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that". This is going to have to be about Great Britain. United Kingdom of Britannia (and Northern Pangaea) has not had the colonisation template ({{CotW}}) on it, and so there has been no opportunity for anyone to object to rewriting the page. This one is going to have to not include Ireland I'm afraid. Considering the chosen style of writing this article, I don't think it's going to be a problem however, as the author probably thinks that Australia is part of Great Britain. Yea, I'm a bastard eh? Go on, tell me I'm a bastard. I'm sick of this nice boy image anyway. I do understand that we want this to be "The main" English/UK/Great Britain/type thing article, and maybe there is a way to deal with that when this article is done. MrN 21:39, Mar 31

The info box

I don't like it. I never liked it. I never will like it. —Sir SysRq (talk) 21:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Me neither, always full of unfunny random humour.. So, unless you can make this one satirizing and encyclopedic, keep it where it currently is (hint: the empire where the Sun never shines) SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 05:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

quotes

Oh no no no, no quotes please, not in the begining of the article.. Random-ass noobs warning! SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 05:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Intro

I hastly wrote a third intro, its small and shitty and it needs improvement, but I guess you got my idea about writing "from an American perspective". SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 12:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Hope this is helpful

Britain has a number of little sub peoples, like the Scots, English, Scouse, Welsh, Cornish and Londoner. Since this is meant to be from an American perspective, I’m guessing there’s some humour value in having this brought out quite a bit. For instance the Welsh and the Scots regard themselves as very separate, however even in these separate parts there are still big distinctions, for instance I'm from the North of Scotland and I’m regarded as being e a bit of a ‘sheepshagger’ by the south of Scotland, whilst all the people from Fife are weirdoes. A similar story could be said of the west coast and the Hebrides. A similar thing goes on in England like Scousers, like Mhaille, are viewed as being a bit ‘northern’ again, same for the Geordies, Mancs etc. Whereas the South as a lot more of the ‘dapper gent image’. This is probably a misnomer to a large extent outside of the big University towns like Oxford. There’s not really a typical Brit.

Also the preoccupation with social class is big one for Britain and the idea that the northern parts are pretty destitute as well as innercitys have spawned a myriad of subcultures reflect this. Since that hag Thatcher, these Subcultures are Britain’s primary export and are a major focus for defining us as something beyond another Starbucks/shithole chain yank place of some kind.

It might be a good angle to have a lot about how we’re many people’s squabbling our birthright from Indian corner shop owners – I hope some of this might be helpful:)--Sycamore (Talk) 13:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

if you picture sycamore sitting in a wood-paneled study, sipping scotch and wearing amonocle and a tweed jacket, giving this speech...featureable. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 13:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wednesday - go!

okay, i've gone and done an intro, which is the direction i felt we were leaning towards with the article. since we're doing great britain and not any of the other dozens of subjects that are apparently related to it, please see the wikipedia page on great britain for an idea of the object of our parody. i've also taken the liberty of stealing the section headings from the wikipedia page, as it has worked quite well for me in the past. also, keep up the sound-bytes you british/scottish/whatever buggers, they're all going into the article and you're all getting credit. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 19:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of adding a hastily hacked up second intro which I'm hoping more accurately reflects what I had in mind for this one. It's shit (my intro) so feel free to edit the hell out of it. -OptyC Sucks! CUN20:08, 1 Apr

Yipes, lots of new content. I'll read it all and be with you shortly. —Sir SysRq (talk) 20:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

SysRq's thoughts

Alright, here's what I think of your stuff so far.

The first intro is great. Nice use of repetitive humo(u)r, very encyclopedic, well written, and good tone. I like it. Second intro conflicts with the first and is shorter, but also does the trick quite nicely. The rest is too stylistic for my tastes, not very encyclopedic. It doesn't fit and needs to be brought back to the encyclopedic tone.

And now, I think I may write something. Probably not, though. —Sir SysRq (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused

Is the article supposed to be written from the point of view of a stereotypically clueless American, or is the article a parody of the silliness of the confusing myriad of names for the various islands/nations/countries that make up the British Isles? Or is it a combination of the two? My brain hurts. --CrabPope 20:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Clueless, but in a strong encyclopaedic tone I was hoping :-) Someone needs to do a chop of the venn diagram at some point. Obviously we can't leave it like that. Are we going to use English or American spellings for this article? MrN 20:52, Apr 1

I'm thinking American would suit the clueless tone better. -OptyC Sucks! CUN21:00, 1 Apr

are you sure that encyclopedic is the right tone? I say the clueless Ami POV needs moar of a conversational tone.. Or not, whatever SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 21:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I was hoping for an author who was very well educated but just was totally confused about Great Britain. Hea, I don't even work here, don't listen to me... MrN 21:08, Apr 1

lalalalala, I aint listening =) SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 21:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

No, less conversational is better. That was my only complaint with how Micheal Jackson turned out. It reads more like a blog than a Wiki article. This time around let's try to make it sound more "official" while still being completely wrong. -OptyC Sucks! CUN21:14, 1 Apr

ya, youre right, i guess.. SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 21:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The concept is that it is encyclopedic in tone, not conversational. This will present all of its misinformation as indisputable fact. —Sir SysRq (talk) 22:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I see SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 22:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Any suggestions for chopping the venn diagram? I'm all ears (and very little brain)

... --^Dame 09:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

sorry, my brain is much smaller, just one crippled neuron.. So I dont have any ideas for now SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 11:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Make it very simple. Include everything except France. -OptyC Sucks! CUN14:23, 2 Apr

More specifically, I think we should approach this whole issue like they're just states in the "United States of Great Britain". You know, American perspective and all that. Details should be the last thing on our mind. -OptyC Sucks! CUN14:31, 2 Apr

I like that idea, but... This article is just about Great Britain don't forget... MrN 14:43, Apr 2

I have no idea what you just said. -OptyC Sucks! CUN14:50, 2 Apr

I have no idea if you are joking! What I'm saying is that this article should really be about Scotland, England and Wales. Not Ireland, the channel islands, the Isle of Man, The Isle of Wright or the other islands. Obviously they can be included (as the author is confused) but the emphasis should be on England, Wales and Scotland. I guess it all depends on if we decide to go with the below representation of how the author thinks things are... MrN 14:59, Apr 2

Most Americans wouldn't know what the Isle of Man, Wright, or any other Isle are anyways, that's what I'm getting at. Omissions of ignorance. -OptyC Sucks! CUN15:02, 2 Apr

I take that back. We should mention them as vacation destinations. Like Club Med, but less sunny. -OptyC Sucks! CUN15:06, 2 Apr

I totally agree. The whole "England" area is just a holiday destination really! MrN 15:10, Apr 2

One great big sheep filled, cloudy, rainy paradise with bad food! -OptyC Sucks! CUN15:12, 2 Apr

Simple eh?

OK, here's a possible way:

British Isles = England

British Islands = Bastardized Language??? - This may not be so good...

United Kingdom = Heathrow Airport

Great Britain = Great Britain

Scotland = London

England = Bath

Wales = Stonehenge

Ireland (pink)= IRA

Ireland = No bombs

Northern Ireland = Bombs

Isle of Man = York

Channel Islands = Places not to visit

Gernsey = Scotland

Jersey = Wales

If anyone has better suggestions, go for it... MrN 14:27, Apr 2

How about this?

England consists of:

1. London

2. Everywhere else. -OptyC Sucks! CUN15:16, 2 Apr

Sounds good to me. Coming right up. I'll keep the files to we can edit any bits anyone wants to change later without hassle. --^Dame 14:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm editing the diagram as per MrN's suggestion, but I'm not to clear on what you want the "British Islands" area to be. Should I label it "Bastradized Language"? If so, I don't get it. --^Dame 18:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea. That's because that line truly sucks balls. It's intended as a reference to the fact that all the people in that area speak and spell a language which is different to the American language... Maybe put "incorrect spellings" for now until until someone comes up with a better suggestion? MrN 19:13, Apr 2

Ok, I've uploaded a preliminary new version. But my laptop is revolting against me so the new version is not showing yet. When it does. Let me know if you want alterations. I was thinking, perhaps if I took an acual map, this might make more sense. --^Dame 19:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The new diagram is on the aricle page, after annoying MrN with my repetitive upload fails. --^Dame 09:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Only annoying because I was keen to see the results! It's looking veritably spiffing actually. As I'm sure everyone expected. Well the chop anyway. If anyone has suggestions for better place names I believe Sonje is able to change it without too much trouble. MrN 09:42, Apr 3

Next thing

Let's remove all references to the author. Any sentence with the word "I" or "me" has got to go IMO. -OptyC Sucks! CUN15:57, 2 Apr

Sure. Go ahead. The bit about him visiting there was really just a reference to the fact that people criticise the monarchy, but actually they are a very useful tourist attraction who generate a lot more wealth for the UK than they cost... Maybe that can be worked in some other way... MrN 16:02, Apr 2

Tourist attraction? ' Step up! Step up! Come see the amazing ginger Nazi ' People come to Britain to see the buildings, not the monarchy --CrabPope 18:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

They probably come to see both. The buildings which they are interested in are mostly related to the monarchy though. Without the monarchy those building would not be as interesting to outsiders was my point. MrN 07:36, Apr 3

Who thinks we should have "some kinda" Infobox on this page?

Maybe not exactly as has already tried, but "something"... Let's have a vote Fuckers!

For (FU SysRq)

Score: 3

1. Per my FU position as stated previously. MrN 18:13, Apr 2

1. If it is really satirizing.. Like this SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 00:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

1. That's my original intention, but someone removed it. So instead, I put in the See Also section and the Britain template. |Si Plebius Dato' Joe ang Man on Fire CUN|IC Kill | 05:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Against (I think SysRq has a sexy bum)

Score: 1

1. Against per my bum. Listen, I just think the infobox serves as nothing more than an invitation for random humor. Yes, without the U because it's mostly going to be Americans that fuck with it. —Sir SysRq (talk) 23:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I do agree it's not good enough as it is now... Also, I will protect the article if it's dicked with too much, but I doubt the people who are likely to vandalise this are smart enough to realise they are being insulted. MrN 23:31, Apr 2

Oh, also we could protect just the info-box if we put it in a template. Sysop protect even... That convinced you? MrN 00:32, Apr 3

Bring back the image of France and make the flag and coat of arms better. As in, make the flag the Australian flag or something. And then put the Griffindor house seal as the coat of arms. Something not too silly but obviously not right. —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I know you love me. You can't pretend. Also Mahm00shA's recent edits... *looks at Mahm00shA* Dude, you have been playing too much warcraft or something man... MrN 01:55, Apr 3

No, I don't play warcraft or any other MMORPG.. Hey, whats with my recend edits that makes you say so? SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 06:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

and for the map, I suggest the map of the world, you know, they colonized half of the world SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 06:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

True, but this article is about what an intelligent yet clueless American thinks about England. The trick is to blend fact and fiction I guess. Per the warcraft thing, hehe... No biggie... Just... The Shire, 12,000 pikemen, ~5,000 longbowmen, long bows, War Galleys, and Land Armies... Maybe that's better than what's there now but I would guess that our author is unlikely to think that British use longbowmen. Maybe the boats used in the Oxford and Cambridge boat race (as he may have seen that on the TV in America or witnessed it when visiting).

hahaha, no my friend, look.. The Shire is Tolkein not Warcraft. And Tolkein was british btw. The other 12,000 pikemen and stuff is historical, you know, medieval and shit, nothing fiction... :) SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 07:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Ahhhh, but... Warcraft was inspired by Tolkein. Tolkein was inspired by an area of the UK which I know well actually. Also... I am British don't forget.  ;) MrN 07:30, Apr 3

ah, you got me here :) Still, I meant neither LoTR nor Whorecraft when I said armies, pikemen and stuff, so I win :p SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 07:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

(Delayed/irrelevant reaction) Actually, Tolkien was South African. --^Dame 21:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Bullshit Sonje, his parents were English, just because you are born somewhere, it doesn't make you a native of that country. What if you are born on a ship or in space? *Nerd rage* --CrabPope 22:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, being born somewhere DOES make you a native of that country. Pointless debate coming soon! :P -OptyC Sucks! CUN22:52, 3 Apr

ya, I am a citizen of the hospital where I was born SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 22:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe that if you're born on a ship you become a resident of the country the ship is registered in. I'm probably wrong though. -OptyC Sucks! CUN23:01, 3 Apr

well, my aunt was born in Libya but she didnt become a citizen because both her parents are Egyptian (and on a business trip).. I think this means that Tolkein was British not South African SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 23:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I did a new one (feel free to edit/delete), but some of it won't show up, and 'declaration' is there for some reason ...--CrabPope 18:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm not happy with that as is, but I think it can be improved... I just don't feel right not having something of this nature. MrN 18:46, Apr 2

I dunno, it has a certain humour about it. -- Hindleyite Converse • ?pedia 19:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

What the? Who the? Where? When? IT'S Hindleyite!!!!!!! MrN 19:06, Apr 2

That flag picture is terrible! Who put that there! I have no idea what's best... Maybe the EU logo? MrN 19:34, Apr 2

C'mon, even Americans know the Brits aren't Nazis. Find something else there please. -OptyC Sucks! CUN19:58, 2 Apr

Obviously MrN  20:04, Apr 2

WWII

We gotta have a section on WWII just so we can downplay the British contribution. -OptyC Sucks! CUN20:05, 2 Apr

Coat of Arms

What if, instead of the bulldog, we had an actual coat made out of human arms? What do you think? --CrabPope 22:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I still like Sys's idea of using one of the coat of arms from Harry Potter. Griffindore or whatever it is. -OptyC Sucks! CUN22:14, 3 Apr

The venn diagram

Yeah, I pulled it. It didn't seem (at the time) to really fit in anywhere yet. Maybe with further editing we can find a place for it. -OptyC Sucks! CUN18:52, 4 Apr

Thats fine, I can't think of what to chop though. A family portrait of Winston the Queen and Henry VIII? --^Dame 20:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

It goes in the Geography section no? I will add some more text to that section later, but I do think we need an amusing description of where all the places and such are. The venn diagram was perfect for it I thought... MrN 20:40, Apr 4

It's a nice image. What I meant was it just didn't fit physically in the article. Once there's some more text we should be able to find a spot for it. And Sonje; how about a better picture for the Royal Family? The Beatles one just isn't doing it for me (sorry Sys). -OptyC Sucks! CUN20:52, 4 Apr

This is a TV show in the UK. Do you guys in the states know these guys? Maybe have a picture of them instead? MrN 20:55, Apr 4

If you put Redd Fox then Americans are just gonna think Sanford and Son. —Sir SysRq (talk) 22:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I've chopped a pic of Margaret Thatcher as Queen. I'm kinda low on ideas, so I'm open to suggestions. I have also rather ruined the formatting on the page, so if someone could use their magic to position the pic appropriately or delete it if you hate it, I would be most appreciative. --^Dame 14:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I LOVE the Thatcher pic. —Sir SysRq (talk) 20:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

week 2

howdy, colonizers. it seems we have a good deal of workable stuff on this page, but it has been expressed elsewhere that we extend our conquest another week to regroup, awesomeify, and finish up colonizing this one. thoughts? SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 19:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's go. —Sir SysRq (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

YAY! -OptyC Sucks! CUN20:24, 6 Apr

I kinda think we should consider making IC a fortnightly thing. Quality not quantity, etc. --^Dame 23:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

 For... IMO, three or four days are not enough. SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 05:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I wanna add a few things to it as well =P so long as it doesn't become another you know what... Saberwolf116 14:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Relationships with other nations

I see the article has progressed very well, but what we don't have yet is a section detailing the relationships with other nations, like France or the USA. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 14:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

What's there to say? America is better than everyone else. Period. Saberwolf116 14:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we could do it in a formulaic style, like "Country, When did Britain own it, When did they win their independence, How many people died fighting for independence" Thoughts? Only positive feedback please. —Sir SysRq (talk) 16:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm positive you're a douche. Also, sounds good. -OptyC Sucks! CUN16:38, 7 Apr

I call it so that I feel like I contributed something. —Sir SysRq (talk) 16:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Why start now f♥ggot? -OptyC Sucks! CUN16:45, 7 Apr

Fuck you. —Sir SysRq (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

 For. -OptyC Sucks! CUN16:49, 7 Apr

Also, this will probably replace the Major Settlements section. I hope to cover the same material and just consolidate it into my own section. Any objections should go here. —Sir SysRq (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't the POV taken in the current Foreign Policy section contradict the tone that's been taken in all of the article previous to it? -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 23:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Good point. Thanks. —Sir SysRq (talk) 01:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

We could also combine both sections, and treat continental Europe and America as traditionally part of "the motherland" (the way China treats Tibet). —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 21:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

...aka Europe...

I can't be bothered to dig through the history to find the culprit, but someone has reverted the line I added about Great Britain being the same thing as Europe. If I'm the only one who thinks this is funny, please tell me here, but don't just revert without some kind of explanation. I'd like to hear some arguments against that opening line, which I think saved the first paragraph from dryness and set the tone for the rest of the article. —Sir SysRq (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, somebody changed the opening paragraph in the Foreign Policy section. I think it was better before. -OptyC Sucks! CUN16:03, 9 Apr

Yeah. This is a collaboration so I'm open to criticism regarding my ideas, and if what I contribute isn't funny I'll gladly get out of the way. But it needs to be a consensus that I am not funny and not just one user trying to run with it. —Sir SysRq (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I think that Europe stuff was rather funny. You could mention something like "Mainland Europe has since ancient times been part of the British nation and it is a fact no one can deny." —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 17:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to fix it back to what I had and if it gets reverted again and no one comes here to explain why then we're going to have to take an alternate course of action. Collaborations are supposed to be, well, collaborative. Please discuss changes here from now on. —Sir SysRq (talk) 18:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I think this confusion all started when Gerrycheevers added parts of OptimusC's version to the article. That lead seems to be inspired by Sonje's image. Gerrycheevers wasn't gonna be online today so it was pretty hard for him to come and explain it. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 19:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Nope, that wasn't in my copy till today. It looks like Gerry just changed it on his own for whatever reason. -OptyC Sucks! CUN20:01, 9 Apr

Well, I'd guess he just based it on Sonje's image then. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 20:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

There was some confusion when the article was in its infancy. I chopped the venn diagram as per MrN's suggestion but then OptimusC pulled it. Sorry. --^Dame 20:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

No apologies needed; you didn't do anything wrong. For the record I have no problem with anybody editing anything I've added. -OptyC Sucks! CUN14:32, 10 Apr

hey gents, for clarification, i changed the opening from europe back to 'an island' when i thought we were going with more truth than we ended up doing. didn't mean to step on any toes. good job on this one, everybody. SirGerrycheeversGunTalk 15:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Using another flag?

If we are going to just redirect Britain to our colonization, I'd like to use Image:Norsefire britain.jpg.png as the British flag. It pays respect to the V for Vendetta Britain concept and it's in correspondence with the present content. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree SIRE FREDDMOOSHA AMUSE ME 22:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think using England's flag is funnier and consistent with the Great Britain=England theme. But whatever the majority wants. -OptyC Sucks! CUN22:59, 10 Apr

I agree with Optimus. We should avoid going over-the-top here. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 23:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Should I remove the sheep soldier picture then? I was worried that it might be too wacky.--CrabPope 23:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

How about using <option></option> with multiple flag options? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 23:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

This could work. We could even throw in an Australian or New Zealand flag in there, too. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​UU​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 00:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I just prefer the English flag. But whatevs. —Sir SysRq (talk) 02:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Sys. I also want to reiterate that Sys has a sexy bum. -OptyC Sucks! CUN14:03, 11 Apr

Hey! If anyone has a sexy bum, it's me. Also, with "option weight=" we can make it predominantly show the English flag. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 14:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Points are in!

Just added the points for this colonization. If you feel you have been tricked out of a point just leave a message on my talk page. ~SirTagstit • VFH • NotM • PEEING • CPT • RotM • BFF 05:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Redirect

This talk page needs to be moved to its respective place nad corresponding redirect needs to be deleted. 164.126.57.110 (talk) 01:29, 15 July 2016 (UTC)