Talk:Ōkami

Humour:	6	Well Cat, it looks like you have an article here that is still in the early stages. As of right now you have quite a bit to fix. However, most of that isn't to do with the humor, so here we go with the humor review. Intro This section has a couple good observations in it about the game that need to be nurtured until they are funny. You have the baby versions of jokes here already, "the Goddess of the sun comes down to from celestia in the form of a wolf for some reason" is a good observation that there's really no reason for Amateratsu to come down to earth, you just need to actually make a joke out of it. Perhaps she came down to get a pedicure? After all she has been up there for thousands of years, it's about time. "...old drunken loser who thinks he is some great warrior because his grandfather was one" is is pretty good joke as it is, but it lacks something. I think you can keep the concept of the joke, but you should change the wording around a bit so that it reads more like "Amateratsu, who mistakenly believes that there is a hero gene that, obviously, skips a generation" or something like that. "Amaterasu...which almost sounds like Tiramisu, which is a italian dessert of some kind" is a good observation, but explaining what Tiramisu is makes this joke weak. Instead you could replace that segment of the sentence with something like "which would make her the tastiest hero since Babe the pig." The section about Amateratsu being able to make all kinds of stuff is pretty funny, although you maybe want to work on that a bit more if you want to make this a feature. Plot There aren't very many jokes in this section, even jokes in their early stages. I would recommend adding more, but really this whole section needs to be expanded so worry about that first. "For an example of thankless people, there is this older girl with a younger one, who doesnt believe in Ammy until the end of the game. That bitch..." This part can be combined with the sentence before it which talks about the thankless people to read more like "...to save a bunch of people who won't even believe she exists until to end of the game." The second paragraph doesn't really have any jokes in it right now, but you have some things that can be expanded upon to make jokes quite easily. However, the humor isn't the main thing you need to improve upon in this article so I'll move on. Celestial Gods Although this is pretty much a list you've done a good job in adding explanations of each of the gods after their names. However, a couple of the entries you write something like "I don't know" which isn't funny for the most part. It also kind of breaks the illusion of the encyclopedia-style article that you've built up before this. When the narrator of an article doesn't know something it makes the reader think that the person who wrote the article was just lazy. A good example of one of the gods you did is "Kabekami" in which you reference spider man. However the last line of the "prayer" doesn't fit the song and doesn't really make sense so you might want to change that. The entry for "Itegami" is also pretty good as using a refrigerator is somewhat believable while still being outrageous. Other than those two I would recommend revisiting the entries in this section with some new content. Also remember that you don't have to make a joke on every single one, sometimes making the reader work for a good joke is better than giving them a lot of not very good jokes. Characters The Amateratsu section has a couple of the premature jokes that are also in a couple other places in this article. The joke about Amateratsu being also a god of paper is ok, but after that the jokes don't seem to pan out. The last sentence is just "How stupid gods really are?" which doesn't make sense because it isn't the gods that are being stupid, it's the people. Inaccuracies are rarely funny, even less so when they contradict what has already been said. Going back a little, the sentence before the characters doesn't work for me. You reference ChiefjusticeDS, but no one outside of Uncyc would know who he is (or, not everyone at least) so it really isn't that funny. The section about Issun is pretty good right now. I really like the part about saying that his clues are redundant then coming right back and making it obvious the player doesn't know how to solve the puzzle. However, the last sentence about him getting angry doesn't work, mainly because this happens in just about every anime. I would recommend removing this sentence as this part ends just as well with the sentence before it. The Mr. and Mrs. Oranges section just lends itself to fruit jokes, but right now you just seem to have facts from the game that fall flat. This could be made better if you rewrote this part, or maybe took it out all together as they don't seem to be major characters. The blockhead section needs to be expanded to make it more clear what exactly you are quoting from and why you hate them so much. Explaining a bit more about the quote could be good for this section, but be careful not to over explain as they detracts from the comedy. The last section on Orochi is pretty good but could use a little expanding as right now there isn't very much there. I do like the joke about him being a pokemon though, it's good.
Concept:	5	This is a fairly mundane topic as there are plenty of video game articles that make fun of the characters in the game. Although, not completely original the concept of the article itself is pretty good. As it is right now, though, the way you executed the idea isn't very well done. As I said above a lot of your jokes are still in the fledgling stages. They need to be looked over before they are vandalized by IPs (or worse, other users) so that you can get what you want to say in. The main thing I want to say is that you should remember that time=funny, keep working with this article and it will get better. There are a couple things I want to address in this section. The first thing is that you don't make it 100% clear who some of the characters are in the Intro and Plot section. There is one person the "drunk who thinks he's a swordsman" and you never explain who that character is and whether or not it's Amateratsu or not. Another thing is that there is this character of Ammy that you never explain who that is either. Are these all the same person? Or are they three different characters, this needs to be made clear. Another, little, thing is that in the infobox there is just a {{{port}}} in the section for port. I don't know how to fix this, but I'm sure you can look at other pages that use this template. That needs to be fixed.
Prose and formatting:	3	Right now this article has a good format, but the prose needs a great deal of work. The grammar in the first couple of sentences is pretty good, but it quickly erodes after that. I would recommend reading through it again to figure some of the stuff out (or if English isn't your first language, get someone else to read it over for you.) I'll just list a couple things that I noticed in this article. Only words at the beginnings of sentences and peoples' names should be capitalized. Periods should end thoughts. I noticed a few times were you have periods, but don't begin with a new subject and instead use the subject of the previous sentence. Example: "All the while making flowers bloom and using a magical paint brush that freezes time giving the main character, Amaterasu...which almost sounds like Tiramisu, which is a italian dessert of some kind. Enough time to Draw magical lines or symbols that do some crazy awesome shit like summon a cherry bomb the size of a horse or slow down time, summon fire,lightning water, Grow lily pads on water to jump across, Make vines to swing on, attract nearby sources of fire,lighting,water. Make it rain, Make plants grow, cut shit, blow shit up and many more that I cannot think of right now." that should all be one sentence (once it's trimmed down obviously.) There are also a lot of misused capitals in that example. Extra or left out words. There are many places that feel as if you started one sentence and then didn't finish it, but began to write a similar one, with a word from the previous one left. There are also instances where you left out words or put other words in place of those words. An example is "comes down to from celestia in the form of a wolf" where you have both the words "to" and "from" where you should only have one or the other. There are point which you use the word "I" or "we" which should be taken out. Referring to yourself doesn't befit a encyclopedia article, especially when you've set up the rest of the article to seem like a factual representation. If every single one of these instances were to be fixed in your article it would substantially improve it. I would recommend working on this first, as if you wait until you have a longer article to do this it would take a couple hours, whereas now it may only take an hour or two.
Images:	6	Right now you only have 2 images for a fairly long article. This isn't enough. The first image of Amateratsu in the infobox is a good picture, but images in infoboxes generally don't have captions. I would recommend using the image you had originally in the infobox of the title of the game and moving the Amateratsu picture into the main article while keeping the caption. If you do end up moving the pic then you should make it smaller as right now it would just seem odd to have such a big pic outside the infobox. I would suggest moving it to the characters section and finding another, smaller, pic to put in the plot section. The second image is relevant and pretty funny, but the caption doesn't make a lot of sense. Right now it's "Pyromaniacs at full speed!" and, although this is probably referring to the smaller pigs in the image, it isn't very clear what that means. I would recommend adding a joke here. Perhaps something along the lines of "This makes more sense after playing the game. Or smoking a lot of hash." but the actual caption is up to you. Just make sure it makes sense to someone who hasn't played the game.
Miscellaneous:	4	Overall "feel" of the article.
Final Score:	24	Right now I would consider this an ok article, but with some more time invested into it, it could become a very good article. Last thing I want to say is: make sure this article makes sense even to those who haven't played the game.
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Humour:	5.5	Hi Cat, sorry for the wait! The manner in which I do Pee reviews is by adding some suggestions on the fly, bitching (a lot) and pointing out bad spots and good ones. These suggestions are there to help spark ideas, so don't add them textually unless you find they are very good. They're like food for thought, some kind of funny flash I had when reading the article that I just throw in there. First of all, I don't know at all what that game Okami is, so I'm gonna resist the temptation to Google it so you'll have the perception of an uncultivated guy, as some (or a lot) of the readers probably won't know what it is either. Overall, I would say that the aticle has potential and there are some good ideas and a good concept too, but it is sometimes confusing thanks to the well, sometimes confusing prose. I'll get back to the prose later, I'll give some advice for the funniness here section by section: Intro The repetition of "divine " in the headers is somewhat funny to me, good idea. I also like the very first sentence about crystal meth. I think the enumeration of the stuff that Amaterasu does could contain funnier elements though. The first few are funny, but "make vines to swing on, attract nearby sources of fire, lighting and water" is not too incredible, I'm sure you can come up with ridiculous and untrue stuff! Divine Plot I really like this paragraph, it made me laugh, I think here you are pretty efficient at turning this stuff into something ridiculous. This sentence is pretty confusing though: "The god saves a tiny village, and still the people think that the drunken old bastard who thinks he is a swordsman because someone in his family 100 years ago saved everybody." Rework that and you have a great section here! :) Divine Celestial Brush This paragraph is pretty confusing and I can see there are attempts at jokes in there, but they fall flat since the text is not too clear. Also, you abandon the encyclopedia style (for the first time) in the last 2 sentences, which feels awkward. Divine Celestial Gods As opposed to some people around Uncy, I think lists are sometimes good, and I think you made the right choice to use one here. However, you could cut it down a bit. Ask yourself if it's really funny or just laying a fact down. For example, "Yomikami is a Dragon and the first god you find." I understand the bloke may be important in this Okami thing, but this is a fact, not a joke. Also, you unexpectedly go from the encyclopedia style to the "I", "me" style (for lack of a better word) right here: "Tachigami is a small mouse with a sword that is too long. I think it's also a beaver or something I dunno." The change in tone sounds pretty strange to me, I suggest removing the 1st person narrative tense. Your call. I report, you decide soldier! Divine Characters The inside joke relating to Chief is funny to you and I, but I wonder if it will be funny to other readers. Amaterasu:I like this one, the origami joke is pretty clever, nice imagination. The myth thing isn't bad either. Issun:I enlarged the "small" a bit, it was totally unreadable on my PC, this is also a clever joke. Maybe you could add another reason why he's so small, I don't know, maybe he had Chinese ancestry or something. Mr. and Mrs. Orange:Pretty good joke with the banana thing at the beginning there. Here is another instance where you switch the article to the first person tense: " I don`t know whose jobs are more useful, but drinking beer is quite cool." It always sounds like it comes out of the blue... Blockhead: The first paragraph needs work as it contains the biggest prose trainwreck of the article (see the prose section) but I rather enjoyed the last part about the Wilde quotes Orochi:Not bad but this: "The attempt was not very successful, so Orochi died, but he died with a smile on his face knowing that Ammy kills herself a few minutes later." It could be mildly funny to someone who knows the game, but to me is almost sounds as facts being laid out. Rework a bit, maybe? Yami, the Lord of Darkness: That's so totally random that it is funny. I like the title "divine footnotes". However, it seems the article is missing a nice little ending on Okami, a kind of résumé if you will. That would add a lot to the article and shouldn't be too hard to come up with.
Concept:	7	I must say, I didn't know what Okami was before reading the article, and now well... I'm not too sure I know either! XD Is it intentionally confusing? I think somewhere along the beginning of the article, you should try to make it a bit clearer. Overall, the concept has promises though, and your idea of showing how crazy the game is and exagerating it is a good one.
Prose and formatting:	5	This is really an aspect where the article could use improvements. I must say that I am no prose or grammar genius myself, so it is likely that there are some typos left after my proofreading session. I also did some small tweaks myself, but some spots are very confusing, taking away from the humor. I'll try to point out those spots here. Also, I always say in my Pee Review that it would be useful to have a synonym dictionary at hand on another app, I always have when I write and it helps me a lot. First, I don't understand why there are so much italicized words in the article. Did you want to put an emphasis on those? It's kinda confusing. Here are some passages that could use a bit of a rework, sometimes it just feels like you could split the sentence in two: "be the first japanese game where is other gods than, well, God.": I tried to tweak that one, but I just didn't know what you meant to say there, I feel a word is missing. "The elf, Issun, is stealing your painting techniques to become a great enough artist to even be able to draw a good picture of you, that it might even restore the faith that the people have in you, and reminding them who you really are as it turns out.": It reads like running a cerebral marathon. Could be split in 2 easily. "Blockhead family has completely 4 brothers, all stucked somewhere on your way, by some weird miracle." LOLWUT??? Clarification please!
Images:	7	1. The first image is very nice, it kicks off the article in a good way. The caption is so-so, but maybe talking about that Obama pic would be cool? I don't know, like: "They were high, but even the designers of Okami know who Obama is." 2. I like this one too, the caption is OK. 3. Good one too, the caption is great! 4. I almost didn't see the tiny one there! It took me like 4 reads of the article to see it. It is an awesome idea, but I'm afraid almost everyone will miss it, so maybe enlarging the pic a little bit would be beneficial. It is a very good idea to have that tiny pic, pretty clever and funny. 5. I like the Blockhead one, but the caption is kind of easy and not that funny. You could come up with something that follow the caption in the pic "I am blockhead... and I will send you to hell to rot with <insert something funny>.
Miscellaneous:	5.5	Pretty much how I would rate the article so far, but you can improve it!
Final Score:	30	I hope that helped and you didn't find me to be a whiner too much! Take your time to work on the article and I am quite sure you can come up with a pretty funny piece, you had the right instinct in imaginating the concept in my view. You can do it soldier! Feel free to ask me for help or precisions on my talk page or if you want a can of tuna or something! Since you're a cat and all.
Reviewer:	Mattsnow 14:51, November 8, 2011 (UTC)