Forum:Is there a reason not to convert all old UnNews .OGG files to .mp3?

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After confering with User:Olipro and User:Codeine, I've begun the process of converting older audio files from .OGG to .mp3 format, and will upload and replace them as I can. Before I get too far along, however, I thought I'd pose the question: is there a good reason not to do this? Thanks for your input. Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 15:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

No objections here. Sounds like a great way to make UnNews broadcasts more compatible for the masses. -- Hindleyite 15:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. How else will we convey our obvious superiority voer the proles? Plus. OGG sounds cooler than mmmpthree--Sir Flammable KUN (Na Naaaaa...) 15:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, we're not Wikipedia. And as much as some people would hate to admit it, we're not related to Wikipedia. We should be able to get away with using mp3s anywhere. Crazyswordsman...With SAVINGS!!!! (T/C) 15:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

For those who can use them, OGG is reasonable. But for those who want the podcast and whatnot, mp3. Just have a version of the file in both formats. --User:Nintendorulez 16:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I think storing two copies of each audio file, one in each format, would be frowned upon by those whom we cannot name. I know if it were my server, I'd frown. Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 17:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Speaking after hours and with a shiny sig... nah, not a problem at all. Whatever. -- sannse (talk) 21:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

What ever happened to us leading the way towards OGG becoming a popular alternative to MP3s? ~Sir Rangeley GUN WotM UotM EGA +S (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Because I live in a cave, I am ignorant of these things. All I know is, people talk about "mp3 players", and not ".OGG players". Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 00:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Do NOT delete the old ones. You're talking about a lossy format being converted to a lossier format. Store the new ones as well as the old ones. Some are on the bare edge of tolerable sound quality already - David Gerard 00:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not converting the files directly from .OGG ot .mp3. Instead, I'm using the original .WAV files as a source to create the mp3s. I've already tried that, just to satisfy my curiosity, and the result was garbage. Incidentally, I'm able to do this only with the audios which I created, so in order to do the same with audios done by others, we'll need their original project or wav files, or whatever. We might end up with some that will only be available as .OGGs, but it will probably be less than 10% of the 330+ audios we've already accumulated. Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 02:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, OK! I thought you were talking about converting the whole database. I'll dig up my one contribution and rerip it as an mp3 - David Gerard 10:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Um... I have not my originals. Also, my Linux box hates MP3s, because it's illegal to play them, or some other such rubbish... so I prefer .oggs, myself.--<<>> 18:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, nothing is deleted, yet. Well, nothing on my computer nor have existing .OGG's been deleted... yet. What say we, oh hale and hearty (or dainty, as the case may be) fellow UnNews wackos? How may we force assist Brad with his plight? Any other Linux users care to weigh in? Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 20:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Linux users probably do not care what format is used because most systems are configured to play both ogg and mp3 and a myriad of other formats. The problem lies within the windows/macos base. Where is the willingness to make sure that anybody can play this stuff without them having to do extra stuff to there systems ? There isn't. In a perfect world all would support OGG and that would be the proper way to go. It will take another 4 years before MP3 will have more freedom of use due to age of the patent and other shitty stuff. So for the users sake, convert to MP3 quickly so they can listen without trouble and lets try to make the next ( within 4 years ) audio compression standard OPEN.--~Your messiah Vosnul 21:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh, OK. Does this address Brads problem, though? Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 18:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Oww. Sorry Guv, I figure I was stuck in Slashdot reply mode, Thats happens from time to time, Don't worry about that . Anyway, if I was busy solving problems i'd expect to get paid for it as usual. Since this is not the case the answer to your question clearly seems to be: It doesn't.-Vosnul 20:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Brad, have you installed codecs? User Neo_Zidane suggested libmad, whatever that is. I'm trolling for other users who have the same problem with mp3s to see if it's you or Linux. ;) Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 19:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I installed every codec with "libmad" in it into my ubuntu machine, and it's still being stupid. Maybe I just need to do some "technical support" with my slegehammer.--<<>> 01:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

If you use XMMS as your media player, you may find that the version in the distros is deliberately incomplete (I'd had this problem with Fedora as RH is taking a CYA approach OK?). Go directly to XMMS's home site and grab the media player there, instead of depending on whatever is distributed with the OS itself. --Carlb 03:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

To be specific, a beautiful little feature of Amarok is that it says, "This won't play MP3s. Would you like to get an update?" I click, "yes" and it says, "Lauching KNotify", at which point the whole thing crashes. Cool, huh?--<<>> 23:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so I downloaded XMMS, and I can now play the MP3s if I download them to my desktop then open them using XMMS, so that'll work for now.--<<>> 14:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Somewhere Michael Crawford, a medium build man with balding hair, goate, cries into his Macbook Pro at a Cyber Cafe. His Ogg Frog software was going to change the world and allow a move from proprietary MP3 format to Open Source OGG format to be a lot easier. Ogg Frog converts audio CDs into OGG files, which helps spread the open source standard of OGG to help combat the commercial MP3 from being forced on everyone. Plenty of Ogg Players exist and most are a free download. The new WinAmp, for example, a pioneer in MP3 players, was modfified to play OGG files. All you need is an OGG Codex to play them on, gasp, choke, Microsoft Media Player and Quicktime, and other commercial media players. Yet because the typical Internet user uses Microsoft Windows with Microsoft Media Player and are too stupid to figure out how to install an OGG codex or OGG player, we are forced, I tell you, forced into supporting the fascist MP3 format just so people with the IQ of potato salad can play media files here on Uncyclopedia. So then, we are catering to the lowest common denominator bottom feeder morans that are stupid and cannot figure out how to use the Internet unless programs are pre-installed for them at the factory. Really really a sad and depressing day for Uncyclopedia, as we further the domination of the MP3 format controlled by the RIAA and other facists unto the known world. Sadly, nobody cares about OGG or open source software anymore. Enter the new age of malware as people are forced to use Microsoft software with security holes so big the Space Shuttle can fly through them. --2nd_Lt Orion Blastar (talk) 23:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

What about the podcast? You can't install codecs onto an iPod, so you would either need an MP3 or iPodLinux. And I can't get the music player working in iPL. Besides, would it hurt to have one copy in each format? --User:Nintendorulez 00:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Your puny players are insignificant the power of the FOSS side. - Sikon 05:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Bahahaahah! #1 You use an iPod. #2 You actually admit to owning and using one. Apple owns your soul. Learn how to put the OGG into your iTunes anyone with an IQ of 50 can do it. iPods can play OGG but Apple is bullshitting about that they cannot petition Apple to support OGG formats, they are Anti-OSS when they do not support OGG. Rockbox gives the iPod new firmware so it can play OGG and other formats. Just convert them if Apple is too stupid to figure out how to play them. I am iPod-free and proud of that fact. I convert my music that I buy over the Internet to CDs, and then turn the CD into a casette tape via a boom box. My 1980's Sony Walkman beats the iPod, because the DRM limits the quality of the music anyway. Plus AA batteries are cheap and last longer than iPod batteries. If I need a different song, I Fast Forward or Reverse or switch tapes. No DRM on tapes either. I beat the system and the RIAA can kiss my rear end because I buy used CDs and Tapes from Used Music stores mostly for my music. --2nd_Lt Orion Blastar (talk) 17:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, iTunes can, but not Apple's iPod FW. And I have iPL and Rockbox installed. But Rockbox skips waaaaaaaaay too much and I can't get the music player to work on iPL, it just crashes. --User:Nintendorulez 18:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hardware problem, the iPod has some quality control issues and Apple tried to cripple it so that installing Linux on it would cause problems. Did you contact the support group for Rockbox and iPL to see if there are any fixes or work-a-rounds? I've known people to use them with no problems at all, so I know it is possible to work. If you are using FOSS then you know that you must report bugs and problems to the developers so they can eventually fix them. If not, then FOSS fails due to lack of feedback. The iPod is a piece of shit anyway as far as I'm concerned, and I'll never buy one. --2nd_Lt Orion Blastar (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, much as this conversation is becoming side-tracked and even more humourous, can we STOP USING THE POLITICAL SOAPBOX? Sheesh... much as I like linux, there is absolutely no need to go into to useless diatribes like the one above.And this one too... oh, the irony.--The Rt. Hon. BarryC MUN (Symposium!) Sigh. Double Sigh. 08:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Nintendorulez started it, not my problem if he has a defective iPod and can't figure out how to configure iPL. All I tried to say was that it was possible to use the OGG format instead of the MP3 format if one is smart enough to know how to do it and has reliable hardware. --2nd_Lt Orion Blastar (talk) 17:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I'd prefer that my recordings were left alone. I started UnNewsAudio with an open format because I believed it was the right thing to do. Still do. If leaving my stuff as .OGG means no-one listens to them, I'm okay with that. I doubt many listen to them anymore anyway. :) ~ T. (talk) 11:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I concur. ~Sir Rangeley GUN WotM UotM EGA +S (talk) 18:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

As stongly as some may feel about open formats and such, I keep getting more positive feedback about going to mp3. If no one minds two files being stored for each audio (by this I mean the powers that be, whomever they are at Wikia), then I believe the suggestion about enhancing the UnNewsAudio template to accomodate both .OGG and .MP3 is a great idea. Shall we take a poll at this juncture? Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 14:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I personally prefer OGG, but if people still want mp3, then 2 different versions should be provided. Mistress of the Clow ~ Cardcaptor Stacey [Talk] [Work] [Uncyclopedia Fanlisting] 16:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

If we can get away with doing both, that seems like the best option, political and moral arguments aside. Besides, we can offer an "MP3 version" and "high quality OGG version" (with slightly better quality), to still encourage the kiddos to OGG.--<<>> 15:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It struck me that I or whomever does an audio would have twice the work to support both formats. I won't do it, I tell you! Another point: we don't offer images in alternate formats, and I don't think we should do that with audio either. MP3 is more popular and easier for more people, so the Cabal says... well, I can't reveal what they said, but take my word for it, I'm going with mp3 exclusively ASAP. Rev. Zim_ulator (Talk) I am the dirt under your rollers 16:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)