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I don't see the point in most of them. VFH archives can be found in Category:Featured and Category:Quasi-Featured, the VFP archives only contain featured pictures which can be found in PFP and its archives, and as for the rest of them... most are pointless. ~ Ghelæ ^talk_contribs 17:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• For! It's unusual for me to agree with Ghelae here, but this time I'm behind him 1,000 percent. In fact, I'd like to propose a new guideline whereby users can QVFD their own Talk-page archives, maybe even as soon as they create them... If the admins prefer, we could have a minimum-age rule for them, but personally I wouldn't make that minimum any more than, say, 6 weeks.  c • > • cunwapquc? 23:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

If you QVFD your own archives as soon as you make them, you may as well not make them (which is partially my point, there is no point even making some archives). ~ Ghelæ ^talk_contribs 09:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• The point of archives is to preserve the ability to look back at which people voted, how they voted, and most importantly why they voted for things that got featured. Noobs may want to see why certain things didn't make the cut. --The Zombiebaron 00:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
• yeah, haven't you ever read 1984? the Destruction of information seems kinda bad, especialy with the way the admins hace been acting lately. -- Kaizer the Bjorn takkun (nya nya) (1961 model!) Check out T61! 02:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
• Archives can be useful and they're also interesting. I was browsing through a few of the oldest VFD archives the other day, reminiscing. —rc (t) 03:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

But you can always look at the deleted edits ;). Anyway, the archives are interesting, especially to see how different things were back in the day ("can you even vote against?"). Plus should be kept for recording how and why things were featured/deleted or whatever. It's not like they're taking up too much disk space or anything... • Spang • ☃ • talk • 03:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• On the contrary, I think we need more archives, we should keep archives of the articles and pictures that didn't make it, for the same reasons we have the others.---Asteroid B612 (aka Rataube) - Ñ 12:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Why?

Just out of curiosity, though, Gally and Sue: why do you want the archives deleted? Do they bother you just being there for referential purposes? --~ sin($) ^tan(€) 06:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Err... yes, actually, Archives are content and we are content-free. ~ Ghelæ ^talk_contribs 09:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll find that's an ignorable policy. So ignore it. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 13:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

What if I don't wanna ignore it? Huh? HUH? HUH?! ~ Ghelæ ^talk_contribs 15:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually projecting my own wishes on what amounts to a completely separate issue, but there might be other situations like mine where stuff that's in User Talk archive pages gets taken out of context and used to attack the person(s) who wrote the entries. Those kinds of pages can also contain personal information... I'm not saying delete them outright, I'm just suggesting that admins be lenient when a person asks for them to be deleted. Maybe I'm a unique case, though - if someone were to baleet all of my talk archives at some point, I'd be forever grateful, FWIW.

As for the VFH/VFD archives, I guess it's just a drag to have to "own up" to some comment you made months ago in what might have been a heated discussion about something you might have changed your opinion about in the meantime... That's probably selfish, but if you extend that logic to the articles themselves, then sure, articles can change too, for better or worse. The votes that were cast on them months earlier aren't necessarily relevant forever. Anyway, no big deal, I guess!  c • > • cunwapquc? 16:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, first, don't get to heated and if you get heated easily, then think twice before you hit "save page". Second, if necessary you can always say, "hey that was a heated discussion, don't take it too seriously, I've change my mind since then". And third, I agree you should be able to request the deletion of your own archives.---Asteroid B612 (aka Rataube) - Ñ 12:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, delete your own archives. ~ Ghelæ ^talk_contribs 16:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

VFD maybe, but not QVFD, because they aren't yours, they belong to the community, and everyone that has edited on them. They are a tool for others to judge your behaviour, etc. --Splaka 04:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect, Splaka, nobody is ever going to VFD their own talk pages! You might as well put up a MediaWiki:SiteNotice thingy to tell everyone to go and read them, when what you're really trying to do is destroy evidence. I'm just talking about allowing for situations where someone is being "Wikistalked" - they delete that stuff over at Wikipedia all the time. Otherwise, I guess the worst-case scenario would be that people might start putting up "don't talk to me" notices on their talk pages, like I myself did a while back. But that's highly unlikely, I'll be the first to admit... so, like I say, no big deal, really!  c • > • cunwapquc? 06:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Why would anyone use archives to judge a person's present behaiviour? My behaviour/personality (called "behality" from now on) changes every five minutes. Then again, there is currently debate as to whether-or-not I am actually human... ~ Ghelæ ^talk_contribs 12:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

If I ban you for 5 days for inanely replying to 20 forum posts today, someone in the future might like to know about this, and ban you for 5 weeks for a second offense. For example. --Splaka 06:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)