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...words are things, and a small drop of ink, falling like dew upon a thought produces that which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think... -- Sir Mhaille 
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- 'Greedy negress'? Jars a bit that one Sycamore. --
RomArtus*Imperator ® (Orate) 23:04, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Either it jars because it's funny and the will is that it should not, or that I touch a nerve of truth in the view that some/many might have about this recent cultural (specifically musical) lexicon. Why should race not be on the cards in parody and in criticism? A very public critique was made of David Starsky surrounding the riots which, however liberal views might be pricked, did have a racial dimension. Of course this is not universal, but in specific cultural areas and in this particular music a very negative and racially focused formation which is presented as an identification with greed itself and as an object and end in itself. This is often demonstrated at the upper stratas on the oligarchs - and a similar disgust accompanies most people around 'greedy Scots' like Fred Goodwin or 'Russian thugs' like Roman Abramovich' - if either of these were added to a financial article, no criticism would be raised. Sorry for the long winded reply, but I wanted to nip that in the bud;0)--Sycamore (Talk) 23:38, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Negress (and Negro) sound weird when used in a modern context, definitely of a different era. When I read it, I stopped to think about what I had just seen. It looks awkward to me Sycamore, just Greedy Singer would be enough without adding a reference to her skin colour? --RomArtus*Imperator ® (Orate) 00:11, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Negress (and Negro) sound weird when used in a modern context, definitely of a different era. When I read it, I stopped to think about what I had just seen. It looks awkward to me Sycamore, just Greedy Singer would be enough without adding a reference to her skin colour? --
- Either it jars because it's funny and the will is that it should not, or that I touch a nerve of truth in the view that some/many might have about this recent cultural (specifically musical) lexicon. Why should race not be on the cards in parody and in criticism? A very public critique was made of David Starsky surrounding the riots which, however liberal views might be pricked, did have a racial dimension. Of course this is not universal, but in specific cultural areas and in this particular music a very negative and racially focused formation which is presented as an identification with greed itself and as an object and end in itself. This is often demonstrated at the upper stratas on the oligarchs - and a similar disgust accompanies most people around 'greedy Scots' like Fred Goodwin or 'Russian thugs' like Roman Abramovich' - if either of these were added to a financial article, no criticism would be raised. Sorry for the long winded reply, but I wanted to nip that in the bud;0)--Sycamore (Talk) 23:38, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
